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  1. flyfishinsteve64

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    A friend of mine used to have one called The Hedgehog. End result wasn’t quite as good as done by hand, but good enough when you’re doing that much
     
  5. plako

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    Here is my view from the OTHER side of the former Iron Curtain. Wow, this picture along with some old Woodstock pictures took away any sorrow that I have missed all those hippies years.
    See, I'm just a few year younger than these guys in the picture but our experience at that time was quite different. After the 1968 invasion of the Soviet Block armies in Czechoslovakia there was certain tightening of the censure what type of music could be allowed, forget about most of the western movies. Now and then a few songs from Beatles could be heard on the radio and that was it. Communist leaders were trying to produce some counter culture that encouraged rock music elements to be used in national languages. Many local song creators were simply stealing western rock music and adding (not translating) local lyrics. The communist government even organized a Democratic Youth Festivals where some westerners were invited to sing their songs against the Vietnam War and tell us what a horrible system the "capitalism" is. There were also Political Protest Song Festivals in which I have personally participated taking the opportunity to stage our rock group music (with some crappy lyrics to please the organizers).
    Yet, on the short-wave radios we could hear and record all the music from the West we liked. I wouldn't miss BBC Top 20 broadcast every Thursday evening and record mostly from there, but also from Radio Luxembourg and other Western European stations. Thanks to the short-wave radio we were exposed much more to the British rock and we are familiar much better than most of you with Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Cream, Donovan, not even to mention Uriah Heep which group is still virtually unknown here.
    We were made aware about the devastating effects of LSD and drugs already had a very bad reputation anyway, so no one was seeking them. Drugs were out of reach for the mass population anyway, excepts for the children of the Communist nomenclature and foreign diplomats. Drug usage and related deaths were strictly kept government secret, so what I have seen could be not the full picture. I knew directly at least two people that ended their life using drugs. Sadly, one was my good friend but I only knew he was occasionally drinking hard, didn't know anything about his abuse of prescription drugs. Still both they ended just because wanted suicide and drugs were only means to do it "cleanly and painlessly" as were were told, unlike my sister's friend that hanged herself.
    Hippy's "sexual revolution" was also something out of our life. Yes, girls and boys were "doing it" quite a bit but those things were kept private and no none was bragging or publicly advertising them. There were very limited soft porno moments even in the locally produced movies, but all kings of porno level movies became later available with the access to the VCRs and possibility to sneak tapes from the West. Even such harmless and PC movie as "Hair" was distributed officially only after Gorbachev relaxed the system once he came to power.
    But smoking and liquor drinking was abundant. Still, getting drunk was something shameful which might have curbed the abuse in most of the Eastern European satellites but not in the Soviet Union. USSR was much more mature socialist country than the rest.
    So, we have heard only for the glory of the hippy's generation and were thinking that LSD use was very limited to some trash people. We didn't even understand the meaning of Donovan's song lyrics "Best hay is the natural hay..." Some 20 years ago when I mentioned to my local female companion (she was about my age) how sorry I'm about missing Woodstock and the hippies movement she responded that I should be rather happy about missing it. Then she described to me far from pleasant details about her participation. Later I have seen much more pictures from what we have missed at the other side of the Iron Curtain and today I don't sorry much about missing to be a hippy although I continue to like the music.
    I still never had a single puff from a weed pipe let alone anything stronger, have given tobacco usage about 35 years ago and only continue to enjoy beer and occasionally some vine and harder drinks. There are things in this life that are not worthy even to be tried once, all kinds of drugs fall in this category. And for those defending drugs vs. alcohol I have a question. If traces from drugs remain for months in the body while any alcohol trace is gone in less than 48 hours how do we know about what are the long-time consequences from maintaining elevated drug levels in the body? Please don't take me wrong, I'm not defending alcohol abuse in any way. In a strange way, American habits of drinking remind me more about the Soviet Russians drinking. Looks like some old statistics showing that population of countries were beer and wine drinking is popular trend to abuse less hard alcohol is true.
    I stand for getting out government from any drug regulation and "war on drugs". But kids and their parents should be properly educated what they really are risking. Then let it to a proper parenting. Sadly, mass and widespread abuse with any form of opioids seems to be in the final stages of a rooting and collapsing empires. For the Evil Empire that was the vodka, will it be the marijuana for the Western Civilization?
    And how about some of those same hippies now being the majority in the Congress on both sides of the isle? Cannot forget Rs singing "Na, na, na, hey kiss him goodbye" when they voted for scrapping some sections of Obamacare. Was this a behavior of mature legislators taking some very serious steps or childish celebration of something that they didn't quite accomplish as advertised in their campaigns? If many of them used drugs in their youth, are there chances some still use them now when they legislate?
     
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    I think for you to understand the differences in the drugs you are talking about you would have to have tried them and not just once. I would never be able to comment on the newer drugs out today such as Moly and many many others.

    That doesn't mean that I disregard your opinion it's just say's to me that others might be more knowledgeable about this subject. To each his own:)
     
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    Exactly! So I have made my choice long time ago to keep all my information about drugs from medical professionals or others that have more personal experience. Just liked from those with suitable scientific and practical experience more comments to one of the many reasons for making my decision - why drugs remain in the blood and other body fluids and systems for so much longer than alcohol? Already knowing the short- and long-term dangers from alcohol this fact alone made for me drugs so less known and so much more dangerous decades ago for me.
    In that line, let me tell you a joke that was popular then (OK, perhaps created by a drunk:):
    "A drunk man and a woman hang with their hands on the rails in a crowded public transit bus close to each other. The woman decides to shame him:
    - You smell so bad, you are very drunk, shame on you!
    He decides to pay back:
    -And you are ugly!
    -But you are indeed horribly drunk, quite a pity picture!
    -And you are so ugly, real sorrow for the eyes!
    -But you are disgusting, terribly drunk person!
    -Well, but tomorrow I'll get sober..."
     
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    I hope you don't mind me asking, but what country are you originally from?
     
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    Does it really matter? Obviously not from Poland, Polish guys were drinking like the Russians. I'm from one of the two closest allies of the Soviet Union, hence with least relative freedom compared to the others. So what I'm describing is closer to the extreme what was then the USSR. Our guys sent to study in USSR were frequently returning married to some Russian beauty since for those girls moving to another socialist country was still a great improvement in the quality of life. Westerners were simply not available for husband hunting.
    What I have described was valid to various degrees for all Eastern Block countries. We shared our experience during vacations and visits to other socialist countries. West was practically forbidden for anyone with decent education for fear that will escape and ask for political asylum. Only the children of the nomenclature were trusted to visit and study in Western countries, their parents well-being was the warranty that the kids would return.
    My biggest disappointment here is how born here Americans don't understand and appreciate their exceptional heritage as the first country founded on the principle for freedom and self-determination and how little they value their freedom ready to trade it for some perceived security under "democratic socialism".
     
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    Amen to that.
     
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    What's wrong with Capitalism with some social programs sprinkled in. Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare for the needy.
     
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    Nothing wrong with that ,but I paid for my social security.
     
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    Money is also taken out of your social security check and put towards medicare.
     
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    One word - monopoly. It is an economic law that when monopoly exists the monopolist will provide the worst services at the highest price. This is the largest danger from effectively monopolizing also the medical services through the proposed "single payer system".
    Before FDR's big step away from real free-market system the main sources of all kinds of insurance were two groups. The major was having a large family and expecting from the many kids to share responsibility for their parents, Those needy without families had to rely on private charities typically organized by the churches. Also in a true free market without fiat currency the natural trend of money is to slowly appreciate since the volume of goods and services grows faster than the gold and silver supply. Hence, savings for retirement is rewarded in two ways, first by the natural slow deflation and second, by the realistic interest rates set by the market without any interference by any monopolist as now are the FEDs. Furthermore, the present growth of goods and services would warrant much faster deflation which in turn would compensate savers for extended life expectancy. But all such opportunities is gone since 1913 https://www.amazon.com/dp/091298645X/?tag=sd07e-20.
    Back in the Great Depression there was urgent need to help so many desperate people fallen in deep misery that couldn't be helped sufficiently by the charities. Hence, SS was suggested following some European models.
    I can understand some sponsorship from the government to non-profit private charities organizations, some tax advantages for individuals and corporations paying for private insurance, but not government itself handling any insurance due to its monopoly status.
    Ever since the New Deal, Great Society etc. there is a large misunderstanding how the SS and medicare tax money are handled. They are never saved and invested in anything, just distributed to the present users based on their past payments. They are indeed noting more than giant Ponzy schemes but ran by the government monopolist bureaucracy. Worst, the great gains in the life expectancy are not accounted at all. Which inevitably leads to collapse of these entitlements in not so distant future that no party has the courage to admit are destined to fail for well justified fear from political suicide.
    Presently, with the wave of retiring baby boomers who feel entitled to SS and Medicare for life with hordes of "refugees" and just plain illegals, with rapidly shrinking pool of tax payers and paralyzed government incapable to address these brewing storms I really cannot see any hope beyond next 10-15 years and even this could be optimistic. What I can foresee it will be again very poorly implemented mimicking of some European models that at best will prolong the collapse but will never lead to real prosperity.
    Sorry guys for the bad news. The baby boomers behind the Iron Curtain were destroyed by unsustainable economic system. The American and Western European baby boomers also face bleak future due to similarly gross ignorance to basic economic laws so well explained by the Austrian economics school at mises.org. Let's pray at least to not have a major war, since war is the last resort of failing governments around the world.
    If only people could understand how they are cheated by their governments and unite against war and government monopolies...
     
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    I am too high to read all this..just wanted to say legalize it!
     
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    im cool with it..
     
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    well sir if you have ever drank water than you know exactly what budweiser tastes like
     
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    Yeah, but the company compensates this with terrific advertisements. My favorite for all times remains the three frogs that learned to synchronize and say Bud-wei-zer. Besides, many girls (our members here excluded of course;)) want to get drunk without the taste of real beer, so for them water taste is just great.
     
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    It may include one of us ..... But that's just rumor. :emoji_innocent:
     
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