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  1. SurfHooks

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    Unbelievable that you hire illegal immigrants then don't understand when they want to come and cross the border illegally. That is exactly what I am talking about. You are creating demand.

    No pill swallowed. I say close off the entire border. Shut it down completely put a sentry every 100 yards, a moat with tar behind the moat with crocodiles. A lot of illegal immigrants and US citizens alike are fubar, so where do we draw the line. Your right we cant help them all. We certainly have a lot of problems to deal with within our own population. I would rather shut down the border and figure out why young men want to walk into schools and blow away elementary school children.

    We don't care if we deal with countries who kill reporters who disagree with them. We don't care that we exploit cheap child labor so we can have the latest gadget in our hands. We do not care when we hurt the people who are in our own family. All I am saying is don't B & moan about the problems immigrants bring after we exploit them.

    Same with China, we bemoan the fact that they took so many manufacturing jobs. Hell we let them do it, that's why. We want our cheap fidget spinner and we want it now. It's big money to some and that big money is not going to let you turn the clock back. I'm guilty too, I want to throw a lucky craft. The difference is at least I recognize the price we pay in the end. I would give up the lucky craft if it came down to it, would you. Maybe you would, but big money wont let you at this point.

    Guess what the Hispanics are here, we have to deal with it regardless of if we like it our not. Perhaps we as Americans should start with punishing those who hire illegal immigrants. Cut the head off of the snake.

    Supply and demand.

    flyfishinsteve64 do some research. Don't just repeat what you hear from your circle of friends and family.

    Good luck to us all.
     
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  2. Slater

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    The op has opted to leave the forum completely, wish this thread would too...
    bump! :emoji_grin:
     
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    Says Plako: “From purely economic prospective, this great country needs much more emigrants like me and doesn't need any of those uneducated leeches from the caravans, carrying dangerous diseases and serving as covers for criminals, drug-dealers, and human traffickers.”

    That's some bold commentary there. Since you have such a high opinion of yourself, (and are willing to disparage migrants from our own hemisphere), why don't you tell us where you're from?
     
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  4. plako

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    You are again speculating. Yes I had above average knowledge but it was technical and scientific, not how to survive at West. No, I didn't have the money, so I worked whatever I could find, including a dishwasher in a small cafeteria/restaurant, textile etc. until I found my way back in the academia to finish my advanced degree with a loan and some support from the school in form of grants, rewards, and some working possibilities.
    Listen to the others around - this country cannot accept all poor and desperate peoples form the world, this is just not realistic. Then, why someone should be rewarded for disregarding the rule of law and getting in front of the line with candidates applying for a legal entry?
    It's not me who likes cheap Mexican labor, the corporations are. That same corporations whose very existence is based on the government support and anti-free-market laws. They rip the benefits while tax payers like myself are forced to support all foolish international adventures if the imperial government in DC and all needy here, those that deserve and many that not. So you are asking me to excuse more illegal invaders bringing their families to hang additionally on my support? DIY on you own, just don't steal from my pocket for your proclaimed humanism via enforced taxes. These people should fix their own countries. No dictatorship can survive for long a general strike no matter how brutal is its police and secret services. The former socialist countries demonstrated how a real massive and peaceful movement can overthrow even socialist dictatorships.
    And BTW this wall is intended among the other to stop also the drugs, I don't think this country needs any of your cocaine. Look how Singapore has solved the problem, this is a very useful experience.
     
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    Eastern Europe. And I got my permanent residence in the class of OR (outstanding researcher as defined by INS), not with the more common labor certification. And the country/continent of origin doesn't matter, education plus ability to fill those STEM positions that generate strong net tax influx is what really matters. Finally your may call them as you like but accordingly to the still existing law definitions these peoples are illegal immigrants, not migrant birds.
     
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    I'm from the Milky way, planet earth, North America more specifically west of the 101. Why wont you say what country you are from anyway, is it some big secret?

    Eastern Europe... your a funny guy, usually the humor from Eastern Europeans does not translate very well but you sure made me laugh.

    Wait I'm confused, you post up all kinds of stuff, some of it from known conspiracy theorist on how rotten our government is. Then you pat your self on the back and tell us the us the US government has designated you an outstanding researcher. I'm not sure who you would have us believe and when.

    In the grand scheme of things I really don't care. I treat the people around me with love and respect. Follow the golden rule so to speak. If more people in the world would do that it would not be such a complicated place.

    The SDFish lounge is just a place to rub elbows with the crackpots of the world, (Myself included) who behind all the rhetoric like to fish as well. It has been fun playing with you! I bet in real life we would get along splendidly, I really mean that too.

    Tight Lines.
     
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    My exact country of origin is irrelevant to this discussion, my experience is not really different from that of an average Eastern European from those countries once behind the Iron Curtain (if you know what that meant). And the sense of humor is largely dependent on someone's background, it's not so much lost in translation, but ability to recognize the unexpected paradox.

    Your confusion comes from misunderstanding the role of government and the law authorities. My qualifications came from well defined rules in the immigration law. I only supplied my credentials to the immigration lawyer of my company at the time. Then the bureaucrats at INS reviewed and simply stamped the papers. While the government in Imperial DC is still evil in most respects with DOD, CIA, FBI, NSA, DOS, DOE, and EPA leading the pack.

    If you don't care for "the grand scheme of things" why do you speak about immigration? Organized mass migration both in Europe and now here is part exactly of the globalists "grand scheme" to dilute the original populations with millions of people that don't share nation's culture, language and traditions and rely in their great majority on the government support, thus are easiest to manipulate. Before actual removal of the borders the majority of the populations must be made to accept this as a solution of the problems created by these same globalists.

    Again, I have not really blaming those uneducated, desperate people South of the border misguided by the organizers of the caravans to seek better life here. But they play useful idiots in the hand of the organizers instead to seek jointly solution of their local problems.

    On your part you proved that you are not an animal. Your attitude towards people around you, your compassion for the sufferings and your understanding of the motivation of the illegal immigrants is one more example that most people are genuinely good and trend to support the others in need. But on this issue sorry, you too are misguided and cheated by the globalists propaganda. And my desire is far from "rubbing elbows", just trying to present you another, alternative view and provoke your thinking, yes, about "the grand scheme of things". Because this later have and will have much greater impact on our personal life that you believe.

    Looking at the "grand scheme" helped me to foresee the collapse of the Evil Empire and defect in its early stages. But my folks couldn't follow me and experienced it at full, softened a bit from the money that I could save even at school and send them to help.

    Just think what would happen if we get some serious inflation which is quite possible? And how about the market loosing 2/3 of its current value? Or, the world reserve currency is switched from dollar to SDRs? Forget LC110 or rods lines reel, how about one loaf of bread cost $25?

    Yes, I also think that we can be friends and probably I can learn a lot from you about fishing. But listen my friend, open your mind for something much larger and next elections please think again before automatically checking all boxes with Ds in the candidate's affiliation. Not that Rs are much better, so why not support independents and Ls? I think we had more than enough with Ds and Rs, let's try a real change.

    Why not see what Brandon Smith is saying The Ultimate Goal Of Globalists Is To Make You Into A Monster Just Like Them, I bet you won't find such alternative position in your traditional news outlets. Once you read this you may understand that I can be branded as anything but "elitist".

    So yes, I waste my time here with the humble hope that maybe not you but someone else will expand a bit his sources of information and just maybe someone will think a bit more how we all are cheated and abused by our local, state and federal governments. And for the record, with a few exceptions most of the world governments are far worse than ours.
     
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