1974 article about FLMB

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  1. Queue

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    Since Covid 19 dictates I isolate in the office I have been scanning/archiving historical documents and run across this gem of a article from 1974. Lembeck knew what he was talking about in regard to how FLMB cannot be overharvested. Our current C&R culture isn't making our fisheries as good as they could be...
     

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    Well, Queue .. it's not like the two greatest large bass fisheries on earth have gill nets or anything...
     
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    Lol. Gee you’ve been saying that for a while now
     
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    Makes it less true every time
     
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    Not nearly enough to be heard over the roar that is the standard mantra of bass anglers. It’s ironic that the belief in that mantra is to enhance the opportunity in catching the biggest fish when in actuality it is prohibitive. That needs to be understood in order to reach the goal of producing the quality fisheries anglers demand. It’s my job to try to provide those angling opportunities, but unless the mantra changes, the goal of producing bigger fish will not be achieved....and the quality of fisheries will continue to suffer.
     
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    It all starts with management of the water and who is overseeing those bodies of water. outside of Calif. most fish and game departments take a ton of pride in providing the outdoors man with a rich environment in which to recreate which in turn becomes revenue(how much money does Yuma Arizona and the state of Arizona make just from opening day of dove season?). Here in Cali. none of that exists (or at least it doesn't appear to) the water is for drinking and everything else is byproduct. I saw where Texas fish and game manages something like a half a million acre foot rearing ponds just to grow quality bass in then release them into their local lakes. I know Texas has tons more of open land yadayadayada but the idea or something like it behind all that fish quality could be integrated into southern Cali. lakes just because we have such good weather year round here. I'm going to guess that all that quality bass management equates to more money when it's in full utilization. I don't know what the answers are but it sure seems like trophy bass and great weather would be a money maker for this county? Hey maybe it's as simple as a sign at all lakes saying "please take all bass home over 12" and under 18"long" I must have to much time on my hands!!! this post is Vinnylong!!!!
     
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    Well tsugg , TX has a few things CA doesn't.. number one is water volume.. one lake in TX has more water than all of southern California.. seriously... So each angler has less impact per acre foot... Additionally, the state of Texas has a certain view of anglers, namely that the anglers in the state are viewed as an important resource, this lends management assistance we could never hope to achieve here with the current state of affairs, politically. One other thing TX has, is commercial freshwater fishing ... What, you say? Commercial freshwater fishing? Yessir, it's regulated, of course, but they have it. In addition to this, recreational harvest happens on a scale almost unthinkable in the SoCal mindset. Trot, limb, jug and set lines are totally legal there, and (my opinion) contribute to the overall health of the fishery, as well as providing important income to the state as well as food for the people. The short form? Bass anglers here aren't going to get support from the water management people or the DFG, either one, so if any of you gentlemen want more management at the local lakes so you can catch more bass that fight harder, live healthier, get larger and are easier to catch, then you folks are going to have to get off your kiesters and sharpen a fillet knife, because if you don't, then no one will...
     
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    We agree on all of it:emoji_ok_hand:
     
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    The ever increasing tree hugging and Green new deal mentality in Cal-unicornia will never embrace fishing and will only strive to eliminate it as it interferes with their PETA loving agenda! This whole Corona Virus crap has simply showed them how powerful they are in that they can shut down our access to everything! Thinking of only our welfare...B.S...the Socialist agenda is alive and well in Calipornia..ask any illegal alien getting a stimulus check! Appreciate every day you have on our lakes, remember they already eliminated a day each month from each lake...when many of those lakes are only open 3 or 4 days a week in the first place!
     
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    Yes its a shame. I remember when we had a fairly decent fishery here in San Diego because we had a couple people working for the city that actually cared. And yes your right, that has all gone out the window. For awhile they played the game and acted like they cared but they don't even act anymore. They just flat don't give a sh-t. Unfortunately we are part to blame by voting dick brains into office and not raising more hell when they first started turning their backs on us years back. The city announced they are going to put more restrictions on recreation at our lakes, such as possibly no water contact at EL Cap. I'm very concerned they are going to allow that to bleed over into fishing also. I hope not but I guess time will tell.
     
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    Northern Utah and I'm guessing whole state regulation for bass is something like 10 bass under 12 inch and 1bass over 12 inch is allowed and no person can catch and give any fish to someone else at any time! By the way the bass fishing is awesome and all other freshwater fisheries are exceptional too all due to pride in state /local resources and strict policing! Can't for the life of me understand why Cal dept of freshwater fisheries sucks so bad when like you point out has so much potential for exceptional greatness!
     
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    SDC You do understand, pride in state/local resources and strict policing.

    Most of our local police are working in handcuffs due to new laws that protect the law breakers...
     
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    Ummm... Most of you are not understanding the point if my original post. I take a lot of pride in managing fisheries in SoCal DVL, Perris, Skinner are all lakes I manage. All of them are arguably much better than all SD lakes for many reasons. I’d like to think my efforts are part of why. But it’s difficult to make the fisheries better when the chosen behavior of the overwhelming majority of anglers is counterproductive to making them better Catch and release culture coupled with the behavioral quirks of Florida strain Bass in our lakes has resulted in many smart slow growing populations of bass.

    Example- I sampled a bass recently this year that had a couple identifying fin clip/punch marks from 2 past population estimates. One mark was applied in 2009, the other in 2006. If the fish was marked in 2006 it was at least 12” long at the time and at least 2 years old. That means it was spawned in 2004 making it 16 years old now Do you know how much this bass weighed? About 5 lbs.

    Do you know how old dottie was when she died? 16 years. I know because I aged the fish.

    The truth is angler behavior has more to do with the decline in quality of the SD fisheries. The bass are more numerous and slower growing now because anglers don’t keep them like they used to. My lakes are following suit evidenced by the bass recently sampled.

    All fisheries management principles work under the assumption harvest is occurring and the amount/size of fish removed needs to be managed. When that doesn’t hold up the widely accepted tools in the fisheries management bag have no purpose. Pride, effort, caring, policing have nothing to do with it.
     
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    Queue Thanks for the reply! You're doing a great job up there!

    Maybe I'm a little bitter after 30+ years of fishing and seeing the slow trashing of local lakes...
     
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    Good on you for trying, Queue ... If there is no point to the regulations is there any hope for local trotlines, loosened bait regulations, etc?
     
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    “Regulation simplification” is the buzzword from above my pay grade. I doubt anything exotic will happen for a while. Though I’m still lobbying for noodling flatheads...
     
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    Legalize goldfish. They seem to be present almost everwhere... Speaking of exotic carp.. have you shocked up any wild type koi? In your opinion, are they breeding at the local lakes? I am curious if the rufous carp (the wild carp koi supposedly come from) are present? If so, you surely must have seen such a thing?
     
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    Gizzards shad are all over the valley now , just a matter of time till they end up in our lakes.
     
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    In Skinner already
     
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    Especially with the number of folks fishing the IV at the moment
     
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