Climate crisis??

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  1. Neuroshima

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    Ice core data from Antarctica is the most compelling to me.


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    Yea but CO2 doesn't heat the atmosphere.
     
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    Give me the name and study of a respected scientist who disagrees?
     
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    You can look that up yourself. Tell me your basic understanding of how we arw impacting the climate?
     
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    Well you peak my interest, not knowing that much about micro beads I Googled it, it's what I do. LOL
    In her story she only mentioned Micro beads in clothing and not any other sources so that was what my comment was on. A metric ton of micro beads? Think of all of the love beads you could make.
    Anywho, micro beads are found in many everyday products. Womens make up, tooth paste, sunscreen, etc. If you don't read the products label on ingredients when you buy these products then you are part of the pollution and not the solution.

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    How can you quantifiably dispute we’re not and don’t give me the “I don’t agree with science...” malarkey
     
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    I agree the climate changes. It always has. Before I was born there was a global cooling fear. They told the people we were entering the ice age. Then it was we are heating up the planet. Now it is any weather is because we are driving our cars to work. If you question anyone you get piled on and chastised like you question God himself. You get shown CO2 levels but never water vapor levels. CO2 does NOT heat the atmosphere. It simply rises out of our atmosphere. The theory is it as it rises it will bond with a water molecule. The water molecules will heat up as it rises up into the upper atmosphere. However this just hasn't been observed. It would take alot higher CO2 levels before we see this happening.
     
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    I agree with science. Anyone who tells you this is settled science is full of it. There have been plenty of studies refuting AGW. Look them up. Especially sea levels rising.
     
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    You are correct - the sun heats the atmosphere. But CO2 absorbs and re-emits infrared radiation, so the more CO2, the more energy absorbed. It also contributes to ocean acidification.
     
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    It also feed the plants. We are now just entering optimum CO2 levels for plant growth.
    Also the world would have to industrialize 3 times what it is now for the water vapor levels to hit a point of saturation of the upper atmosphere to create a level of destructive warming. Right now most of the vapor falls back as rain.
     
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    I dunno... Deserts turn to forests, then oceans, then back.. blah blah blah.. humanity is a blip on the radar of time. Long after we have disappeared or moved on into space, this place will revert or become something new. Maybe that meteorite strike they are predicting in a couple years will come to pass and we will get the reset sooner than later..
     
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    Yes, one of the positive effects of CO2 is fertilization. So you can have positive and negative things going on at once, but it's the net balance that matters.
     
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    However the benifits currently outweigh any negatives. We are a long way away from CO2 levels that would lift water molecules fast enough to cause an issue. Considering people are cutting CO2 levels I don't see a need for this green deal. Levels are only going to drop unless like mentioned above a large volcanic eruption.
     
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    We should do something about those volcanic eruptions!!!
     
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    Make the volcanoes purchase carbon credits from Al Gore. Then everything will be fine.
     
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    I have read studies that take into account that the volcanic output from ~1750 onwards only accounts for 1/100th of what man has contributed in a sustained fashion; compared to sudden spikes occurring with the natural events.

    Your assertion is correct, CO2 does not heat the Earth, but it traps the heat in along with other greenhouse gasses while reflecting the heat energy back down, which is what is melting the ice caps and thusly rising the sea levels.

    Interestingly, the science community formulates that it can take CO2 1-2k years to completely cycle through the atmosphere. Methane lasts only a relatively short 12yr span, but that's attributed to it converting into CO2 as it burns off.

    What good is feeding the plants when our current rate of deforestaion is ~18mm acres per year; yet another strong contributor to greenhousing this rock
     
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    Fact or fiction.

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