Climate crisis??

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  1. C-takagi

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    Corporations are the problem, not the people. I know how polluted third world countries are, I lived in one for years. And it’s not really like they have the option to pay for more eco friendly alternatives, when they live on less than $10 a day. The problem could be solved if we spent money on building more infrastructure and pulling them out of poverty, but if we did that, then who would work in our sweatshops? Poor nations pollute because they’re producing goods to be sold in rich nations. We can claim to be cleaner because we outsource our trash and smog to poorer countries.
     
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    We’ll run out of fossil fuels someday. This is a given. The earth does not have unlimited oil and coal in it. Given that, it makes sense to begin working on alternatives now, before it becomes a major crisis. Pull ourselves out of Saudi arabia’s Pocket, and become energy independent
     
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    The other thing is, that at least in Indonesia, where I lived , they’re taking active steps to combat pollution by increasing public transit, subsiding more efficient vehicles and increasing green spaces and plant growth with things like vertical gardens and city parks.

    And as for “what is the problem” https://xkcd.com/1732/
    Here’s a handy graphic about it. Yes, there are natural warming and cooling cycles. But those form gently sloping hills on a temperature graph. The change happening now is a cliff.
     
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    Again it is the rich to blame. Socialism in full display. Oil and manufacturing has pulled many of the world poor out of poverty. Building clean infrastructure for the world would bankrupt the US. They should be responsable to clean up there own act. We have done enough at this point and if what the developed nations have done hasn't made a measurable difference hence always being told we need to do more then maybe man isn't causing the changes in climate.
     
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    It’s interesting how Americans are so terrified of socialism that they are unable to respond to any valid criticism of capitalism with anything other “but... but socialism bad”

    The issue with the concept that “the US has done enough” is that if we do our part but other nations don’t do theirs, then we still suffer the consequences. It’s prisoners dilemma. If everyone goes green, then we all win. If some people go green but some don’t, the polluters win, at the expense of those going green. If no one goes green, we all lose.

    Also, the US doesn’t need to build clean infrastructure, it just needs to move its manufacturing back home from overseas. If all the products used in the US were made in compliance with US regs, then there wouldn’t be near as much of a problem. So a big portion of the solution is to stop offshoring jobs and boost domestic manufacturing.
     
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    Oil and manufacturing pulled many out of poverty
    So did coal mining. But it still gives you black lung disease. And manufacturing can be done in more environmentally friendly ways, especially if you generate power from carbon neutral or renewable sources
     
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    If the US pull out of these countries can you imagine how many more phone scammers there would be?
    If we pulled out of these countries their economies may collapse with people out of work. There could be more wars. Of course the good old USA would be asked to send aid and money.
     
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    What are these magic energy sources? Other then nuclear what other carbon neutral energy source would you recommend that can run a truly industrialized nation.
     
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    My .02 again.
    Why don't these other countries put strick environmental pollution laws on the US factories in their countries?
    Could it be that they are afraid of losing them?
    These countries are just as guilty as everyone else when it comes to pollution. It wouldn't cost them anything, the companies would have to pay for it.
    These countries cry that they are too poor to stop pollution. All that they have to do is have foreign business install the equipment. But then if one country did it and another country didn't then they would lose that business.
    Follow the money trail.
     
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    Depends really on your interpretation of Norse History and translation of Grørntland
    I think Erik the Red was just trying to be festive...
     
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    I believe that he called it Greenland because it was full of ice. Iceland because it was green. Just to keep people away from Iceland. If so smart man.
    But we're getting off of the main subject here.
     
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    Nobody seems to take this view. Years ago there was a snippet on the news with State of the Union speeches going back many presidents about reducing dependence on foreign oil.

    There will be applications that we cannot get away from fossil fuels right now but what is wrong with getting away from it everywhere we can.

    God gave us this Earth and according to what I was taught we are supposed to take care of it but seems to even mention taking care of it is evil in some eyes
     
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    We have the power to stop the corporations - just stop buying their product. There are so many people anti Amazon.com - but there are far more who buy from them.
     
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    I can recall the statement that if you just supplied every household in the US with a energy efficient refrigerator the need for foreign oil would be over . Sounds to simple doesn't it ? WR
     
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    If everyone did exactly what you do would it change anything? The answer is no!
     
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    Did anyone see the little 16 yr old girl that the Extreme Left spiked the UN conference with? No surprise there. Its a very dramatic speech for a 16 yr old. I'm betting Hollywood will make a movie of that speech. She truly believes (thanks to her parents and AOC- the green extremists) that the world is going to end in just a few years and she wont make it to adulthood.. we appreciate your ridiculously frightening and psycho influence, AOC.
     
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    And do you remember when they said that as the newer models of vehicles come out to replace the older polluting ones things will get better.
    What was that 30 plus years ago?
    Things have improved since then, it just doesn't happen overnight.
     
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