Evangelical Preachers on Both Sides

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  1. swings are free

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    I was never taught to hate anyone.
     
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    Thats my point, people pick and choose, who has the power to consider which teaching in the bible is outdated? who has the power to change outdated laws?
     
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    I think common sense has the power to choose which laws are outdated. Prosecuting those of different sexual orientations=outdated, because we now know that sexual orientation isn't a choice. People have the power to change outdated laws, because we have already. Gay people can legally get married now, for example.
    Also, to say that only religious people cherrypick what they think is right from a text or from preaching is incorrect. Everyone does the same thing, all the time. For instance, I don't subscribe to everything that Plato or Descartes said, but I think some of each of their beliefs make sense.
     
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    Ram-Rod I bet you'd disagree with at least some of what Richard Dawkins, Carl Sagan, or Bill Nye has said, right?
    But the reason that stuff probably isn't at the forefront of your mind is because you focus on what seems true to you. Same goes for everyone else, religious or not.
     
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    Cherry picking good ideas is human nature, the problem is that camobass is implying that my life will short if I don't believe in a higher power (no after life) and not just any higher power, his higher power. Everything thing in bible is about either going to heaven or going to hell. The bible is no longer "pick and choosable" if you live by that logic and want to go to heaven.
     
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    I was just answering a question that you asked. I believe that this life on earth is just a speck on a line of my everlasting life.
    You are entitled to your opinion and I no way feel anything against you. I completely understand your view. I was there myself.
    The bible is not just about going to heaven or hell. Have you read the whole bible? Its about how you treat people, how to live, how to raise your children in a loving environment, it answer questions to life- ts life breathing. Being a Christian is not just about getting to heaven. I have come to the conclusion that its God's will, if I go to heaven or not, I am going to live my life for Christ.
    It sounds like you have had some type of pretty negative experience with religion. I understand, so have I; many, many times.

    Look up Lee Strobel. He was a full blown briliant Athiest out to prove God doesn't exist. Guess what happened when he did that. All the evidence he searched for to disprove God, Proved he exists. He is now a Christian
     
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    I don't hate ****sexuals. I disagree and don't like the sin. Look at nature. Dogs may try and hump other males but nature is male and female. I believed that before I was a Christians. Its how we were designed. Satan has dominion over the earth and is the author of confusion, division and stirring people away from the truth.
     
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    There is a difference between not liking (or hating) someone and disagreeing with their lifestyle. Contrary to the agenda that is pushed, I can disagree with someones choices and still love them.
     
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    Now, if you're talking about sex to reproduce, then yeah, there's no question. But ****sexuality in nature for pleasure is fairly common. If you do some research, there's a lot of documented ****sexual activity between animals, especially mammals like dolphins and primates; as well as quite a few bird species.
    Not to mention that ****sexuality has been documented in humans since written history began. Everyone from ancient China, to Greece, to Native Americans largely accepted ****sexual behavior.
    Again, I'm not saying it serves the purpose of continuing our species, but it should hardly be called unnatural imo.
     
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    I got you, my answer was my opinion. I was unaware of that. But I was also speaking by design. If it was meant to be the other way, no race of creature would survive past a generation. If it was meant to be, males would be able to naturally conceive children in their own whom. Again, for the record, I don't hate people who choose to be ****sexual. I feel sorry for the children who don't have a choice and who are brought up like that.
     
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    Have you read the whole Bible? Not every wrongdoing is punished with the sinner going to hell. And besides, you're relying on a pretty big "if". Suppose someone leaves it entirely up to God's plan on whether their soul is sent to heaven or hell
     
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    Right, I understand. Disagree that it's a choice, but I see where you're coming from in terms of survival of species
     
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    thats what I am saying. The bible is life breathing.

    I look at it this way. I learned this in school.
    One person will have a bad experience and tell 11 people average. Its like the phone game where you say something about someone in a big circle, by the time it comes back, its exaggerated or completely something different.
    The one who has the good experience will only tell one or two people close to them.
    (Say, put this senario is a retail experience or having your car worked on)
    It can also be the same for a biblical experience. I still personally seem to look at all the bad things and not the many good things in life or in experiences
     
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    I understand there are birth defects. But besides that it is mostly choice or in upbringing. Parenting has a huge role and coming from a divorced family, I get it.
     
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    And that opinion is only based on people I have known to be ****sexual and talked to them about it. I by no means am for certain its just in my experience
     
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    Interesting points and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Your comment regarding Strobel got me to thinking about my youth years ago. Without question, one of the best classroom experiences I’ve ever had was a course I took on author C.S. Lewis – and how he returned to Christianity after spending time as an atheist. The prof was also an ordained minister which I think helped with discussion and perspective. And I say this as someone who’s not particularly “religious.”
     
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    I'm not religious either. Its more of a relationship but I tend to take the red letter pretty serious pre-crucifixion
     
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    It is not a "defect", either. That's where our agreement ends.
     
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    So after 30yrs of being an atheist, what were some of the most enlightening things that you learned from god's teachings that you didnt know about before?
     
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    When I say defect, I don't mean it in a derogatory way, I see it sounds like that. Forgive me. What do you call it when someone is born with something that is out of whats considered "normal".
     
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