Flat Falls

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  1. Dirk Diggler

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    Pardon my ignorance here but why don't people ever use a big treble on flat falls? Seems the norm on yo-yo's and surface irons yet I never see them being used on flat falls. I'm sure there's an obvious reason but I'm too newby to see it! :emoji_blush:
     
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    You can, but the thing with flat falls is that they really don’t like the stock hooks or trebles for some reason, it may be the shape but it just doesn’t seem to set into the fish very well. This problem is pretty easily overcome by 7/0 and 8/0 big game hooks (at least in my experience, never really lost a fish with the bigger hooks and a I have a very high hook up ratio with them). I personally pin it in how the jig is shaped and it’s size actually getting in the way of the hooks properly setting into the fish because there is so much leverage on the jig and at the same time there is such small hooks to set the fish into. Squish jigs out of the box have a better hook up ratio but besides that there is nothing spectacular about them except for the 480g size which is no longer made.
     
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    A treble hook is not nearly as effective as a j or circle hook once the fish is hooked. The three hooks all work against each other when pressure is applied. Those that fish jig have all experienced fish that seem hooked up well only to pull off for no reason.
     
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    My hookup ratio with the DJ is really high and it uses treble hooks. Interesting perspective.
     
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    Different style of jig and method of setting into a fish... BIG DIFFERENCE. Diamond Jigs have a properly sized hook for their mass and length; which leans to a good hook up ratio. Much like surface and yo-yo irons. An example of a jig that sucks from small hooks are colt snipers. Because the hooks are so small and the shank is so short they have a tendency to just get flung out every time a fish shakes it head. But if you change out the hook to something larger, or a single hook rigged directly on it a siwash they hook up great and I haven’t had an issue with those modified coltsnipers.
     
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    What sized hook do you use for a sniper and do you soder the ring?
     
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    I just clip off the previous one and add a split key ring. 4/0 single hook and 3XXX hooks.
     
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    Do you do the same for the small flatfalls, no soder justvthe split ring? Thank you.
     
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    Hey Dirk if you are going to fish big bluefin make sure you get those crappy assist hooks replaced as others have mentioned. I got mine done at Squidco. Perhaps you can call ahead and get it ordered. I know other stores do it too. Enjoy some yellow perch or walleye for me!
     
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    All of them. I seriously couldn't give a crap sandwich if a fish breaks off, but continuously loosing fish on the strike is heresy. I do scale my hooks down too, the 130G have 5/0s on them.

    I would rather get bit and put an absolute crap ton of pressure on that fish wearing it down and ensuring that I'm going to stay hooked the entire fight. I hate being nervous of popping off or having a knot fail, it's just a waste of my time and the fishes time.
     
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    Are you talking about colt snipers that are over 2oz? Do you notice any difference in how they swim with a big single hook?
     
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    If you put a hook that is to large on one it can make a difference. I like 4/0s for my 80g and 100g gear. Also that bend adds a good flicking action into the lure.
     
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    Single siwash hooks all day. Siwash hooks have an open eye. Don't bother with the split rings, it will make the hook lay sideways. Just attach them directly to the "tail" of the sniper so that the hook point faces upwards.

    He does it in this video (but you will need bigger pliers to close the rings on hooks big enough for Snipers).
    How to replace crankbait hook with siwash hook!
     
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    You guys tried messing with inline hooks over the siwash?
     
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    My logic is to make that hook out there as possible... suppose that hook is laying evenly in its mouth and turns... hook slides out. Unless it’s on a popper... then they lay in the best areas to snag or get hooked.
     
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    Thanks but I pretty much go airport--->boat--->airport--->home. I need to buy my stuff online and use the excellent advice given here to rig my gear in advance then jump right into the fire. Unfortunately I don't even get an exhibition game to experiment. :emoji_disappointed: Been working OK so far but as I've said, thats only because of ev1 who points me in the right direction on this site! One of these days I should come down a day early and hit up the local tackle shops. Wifey would just love that! (Hard to hide that stuff in these days of online banking!). LOL

    Not a lot of walleye or perch on my radar up here, I'm more of a musky guy (avatar)....
     
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    Spottie - whats your opinion of rigging hook(s) on the front of the FF?
     
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    I have this sneaky feeling, a well swimming surface iron would get a savage musky strike... JRI3?
     
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    I've been thinking the same thing and vice versa. I'm going to bring a big musky topwater bait when I come down to SD at the end of July......
     
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