If You Are Skeptical About Sea-Level Rise...

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  1. plako

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    it seems the obamas are also skeptical of sea level rise...sea level rise does NOT affect the elite


    The Obamas Just Purchased a Martha's Vineyard Mansion for $11.75 Million
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    Claims of rise in sea level affects the game, not the player. - Greta Thunberg, Activist

    ... and if Greta says it, you had better believe it or else.
     
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    No, they just have the means to move away when it actually gets dicey.
    These properties have plenty of land to absorb a couple feet of rise.

    It's fairly elementary really.
    If roughly 2% of the Earths water is frozen in Glacier and within the Ice Caps, AND they melt...

    Where does the water go ?
     
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    The sea level was higher in the past. I don't know how many millions of years ago.But the whole Imperial Valley was the extreme north end of the Sea of Cortez and still sits below sea level in many places there.

    Also in Chula Vista near the 805 and Hst up the hill in Terra Nova at about 100 ft above sea level when they were grading for development they found a giant clump of sea shells that now sits in front of the school they built there for educational purposes. All those coastal canyons used to be bays.

    So yeah the Ocean levels were a lot higher at one time and I am more than positive that it wasn't caused by Humans or fossel fuels.
     
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    How Dare you!!! :)
     
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    If Ice can melt then water can also evaporate making clouds bringing more rain. If sea levels rise then we have to move but it's not going to be like Costner's waterworld movie. Just like Earthquakes in the movie with The Rock were so fake.
     
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    That's a very, very big IF. Did you had a chance to read http://sepp.org/twtwfiles/2021/TWTW 1-9-21.pdf or it was much easier to dismiss without reading it?
     
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    I got some Oceanfront property in Arizona from my front porch you can see the sea!
     
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    Yes they were higher during the Cretaceous and Eocen periods, they also attributed the levels to glacial melt and displacement due to land mass during volcanic activity.

    Agree.
    According to USGS, atmospheric water accounts for <1%, same with freshwater bodies. Bulk of the water will still end up in the oceans.

    What is a very big if plako , that they are melting or that they will melt down fully?

    Elaborate on what I am being dismissive of.
    Your papers don't seem to dismiss that glaciers are in fact melting...
     
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    The sea levels have been up and down since the earth started. I just watched an amazing lecture series about ancient civilizations of North America and there is evidence of the seas being 200’ down in the pre Colombian periods. Look at the sea of cortez, it used to be up into the Salton sea and has since dropped.

    I’ll say it over and over again, there are stone bowls and pestles sitting on shelves in 60-100’ of water of La Jolla. And those waters rose way before burning fossil fuels.
    The global warming push today is a total hoax for money and power
     
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    First off, how do you expect me to focus on sea levels when the 1st thing I see is a women in bikinis ad? Do you guys get that too? Not sure why a bikini manufacturer is advertising on a fishing site that grubby old guys frequent but I bet not many are complaining.

    Regarding the article, seems to cherry pick on particular areas that have had positive movement of the land mass.

    Heartland Institute is a right wing ideological organization with substantial funding from the fossil fuel industry. An alternate view based on satellite measurements is at Sea level rise - Wikipedia .

    Interestingly, the last time global temperatures were 2 deg C higher, the sea levels were an estimated 16' higher than they are now. If earth temperatures instantly rose 2 deg C, that doesn't mean sea levels would instantly rise that much as it will take at least 100's to 1000's of years for the ocean water temperature and glaciers to reach equilibrium.

    You can't have global warming without sea level rise eventually, due to expansion of the water and melting of glaciers.

    Another article: Climate Change: Global Sea Level | NOAA Climate.gov.

    FYI, no one is very good at predicting the future, whether the Heartland Institute, Wikipedia or NOAA.

    An idea as to what might happen is from the article above, there is a lot of uncertainty in the predictions.

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    ohHHHH Chris ...come on.."gets dicey" lol.gif lol.gif lol.gif
     
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    Wouldn't the overall ocean temps drop for a brief period as a result of the massive amount of icewater being released. If we are to believe the scary tales of rapidly rising sea levels wouldn't we be seeing a drop in the overall ocean temps? I know if I put ice in a cup of room temp or even cool water it will melt but it also cools the liquid it is melting into. Not trying to question or offend anyone's religious beliefs but just always wondered about that.
     
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    No, for a couple of reasons:
    1. Arctic water temperatures are already about -1.8 deg C so melting freshwater from glaciers actually warms it up locally. Antarctic water is not quite as cold due to better circulation. Arctic Ocean - Wikipedia.
    2. More important: the heat absorption by the rest of the ocean greatly outweighs any the effect of cold water mass increase near the poles. Glaciers are a rather poor absorber of heat compared to oceans as glaciers reflect most of the sunlight and are predominantly at the poles where the sunlight is lower. Most of the sunlight that strikes the ocean is absorbed, not reflected.
     
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