Jig Triggers & Calico, Ling, Reds fun.

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  1. B8DHOOK

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    I met up with Butch Thursday morning at the local AM PM. Parked the truck, grabbed a couple tricked out cheeseburgers for the ride, and headed for Shelter Island ramp. Launched at 6:00, got a half scoop of lively sardines and headed for the Islands. Aside from a few local lobster fishermen, we had the islands to ourselves. ( big change from a few months ago ). Water temp was 64*. We started the morning off with 60g. Coltsnipers and the Calicos were on the chew, along with some pretty big Triggerfish. We ended up catching 3 Triggers and the biggest went 4.4 lbs. ( released them all along with the Calicos ). At around 9:00 we headed south to the rock pile area and dropped live bait on the 3 way rig. I managed a decent Ling Cod that we put on ice. After that, we headed to deep water at the nine mile bank. Water was kinda crappy and the wind was blowing pretty good, but we managed a few nice Reds to add to the ice. I hooked something big on a 9” 13 once jig in 500 ft of water, but it came unbuttoned. Damn… Was a nice day over all. Here’s a few pics.

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  2. Werfless

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    Those Mexican rockfish sure are different looking. Great fish... Megabait? Lazer minnow?
     
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    The Triggerfish and Calicos were on Colsniper jigs. The rockfish set up is a 6oz generic painted lead jig with a 10oz torpedo attached to the swivel, and a shrimp fly with an old Kalins Lunker grub attached. The idea is to use heavy duty swivel and add hooks to you weight, even if it’s chain or a chunk of re-bar. Add hooks to it because the Lings will eat anything.. they don’t care if it’s scrap metal or a $20 jig. They eat it.. I learned my lesson about using lighter line for weights as a break away. Don’t do it.. And use heavy duty swivels because the Lings will break the light ones. We’ve lost a few big fish down there because of using too light of line or too small of hooks. Or too light of swivels..
     
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    can you take a pic of the setup?
     
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    Sure. Will send a pic of the retarted mess when I get home in an hour or so. Lol. ( it’s nothing fancy but seems to work well out there ).
     
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    Sure. Will send a pic of the retarted mess when I get home in an hour or so. Lol. ( it’s nothing fancy but seems to work well out there ).
     
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    Note to self : Do not hit Send twice.. Even if it doesn’t go through the first time. walk away.. Walk Away !
     
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    Nice fish, how did them big trigger fish fight?
     
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    Good stuff. I'm determined to start learning how to use those jigs myself; just picked up some colt snipers. Hopefully the stars align and I'll be able to head to La Jolla some time soon
     
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    So here’s a basic setup that I’d use for deep water. The 6x heavy Salas jig plus the piece of metal equal 15oz of weight. Then I have a shrimp fly above with a 4” plastic attached. ( US waters only allow 2 hooks but I use 2 shrimp flys in Mex waters ). Also.. here’s a pic of assorted weights that we use, from lead chunks, to railroad spikes, to trailer balls. If you prefer store bought stuff, a 10oz torpedo weight with a Diamond jig attached to a heavy duty swivel would work great Along with a shrimp fly 20” above it. The shrimp flys will catch nice Reds, Boccaccio, etc etc.. The weight you use , with some sort of jig attached will give you a chance at a big Ling Cod. Like I said, The Lings will eat your obnoxious looking weight, whether it’s re-bar, or a Salas jig, So attach some sort of hook to your weight set up. And use a beefy swivel and at least 40lb mono. I use 65 braid with a 6’ top shot of 40 mono.

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    Those egg sinkers are 4oz. The trailer ball is 21oz. And that big ugly red / black jig is 13oz. ( I lost a big fish this trip on that big ugly red / black jig ). It’s called a Dynatrol Rodbender and it’s old. Lol.
     
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    Picture #10, looks like an "Eds Jig"
    Correct?
    Ive got a few boxes...
     
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    Always enjoy reading what you and Butch have been up to. Decent Ling. Thought you made a typo on the first post about 13 oz, but dang! Get down there, boy! LOL!
     
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    Damn.. Good eye Slater. We actually fished with Ed and Jason ( Papa J ). Last year. My buddy Butch ended up buying 2 dozen of Ed’s jigs over the last year. They’re a simple lead jig that’s painted in various colors and weigh 6 oz. We use those as weights, along with another 8-10 oz of weight attached to the same swivel to get us down.
     
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    Thanks Karl. Ya, trust me, I never thought I’d be needing more than 6-8oz of weight to fish anything period. Lol. But between the wind and the current, you really need some heavy artillery to get you down once you meter some fish. We’re dropping down almost two football fields deep. Think about that !
     
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    Thanks man. We were catching Calicos in with the Triggerfish but when we’d hook a Trigger, you could tell it was something different. They really fight hard. I thought maybe I’d hooked a small Yellowtail when I snagged that one Trigger in the back. It had a full head of steam compared to mouth hooking and it fought twice as hard as normal.
     
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    Great report Jason... Excellent fish and very informative... Nice Newell, by the way.. Love those old "P" series...

    (The other) Butch
     
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    Thanks Butch. Ya, that reel was handed down to me when my dad passed in 94. It’s a P-338-F. Also have an old blackie 235-F. Both work great are smooth as silk. F stands for fast or 5:1. Does the P stand for stainless gears ? It’s been a couple of years since I broke them down and I don’t remember what gears were in there. Both have aluminum spool I believe. Some came with graphite spool.
     
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    Aluminum reel bases, spools, posts, star and handle. The spools had a metal hub for the metal clicker. The posts had holes bored into them to decrease weight. The handles were all solid aluminum.

    – SS parts included: jack handle, main gear, pinion gear, dog, clicker set, bearing cups, bridge assembly, bridge sleeve.
    – Gear ratios – 4:1 and 5:1
    – Unitized bridge assembly
    – Main Gear/Bridge Sleeve – The bottom of the main gear was recessed so as to be able to accommodate a 4th fiber washer. This fiber washer made contact with a fixed ss washer on the bottom of the bridge sleeve. Therefore, this was a 4-stack drag system with jigmaster size washers.
    – Model Numbering System – There was no letter to designate this series…i.e.) 220-F
    In addition to the F designation, there may have been a T designation . F designated 5:1 and an M designated the reel as 4:1 All model numbers as well as the “Newell” and “ball bearing” logos were inserts.
    – Models: 220-F, 229-F, 235-F, 322-F, 332-F, 338-F, 338-J (or FJ), 344-F, 344-J (or FJ). The J stood for jigging. These “J” models came with a ss top bar.

    P SERIES (approximately early 80’s thru mid to late 80’s)

    – Aluminum reel bases, spools, posts, star and handle. The star, though still aluminum, was slightly different and the aluminum handles now had holes bored into them. The sideplates were redesigned to be thinner and not as rigid as the blackies.
    – SS parts were the same as the blackies. In addition, Carl added ss rings to the new sideplates.
    – Model Numbering System – The P was the letter designation in front of the model number – i.e. P220-F. In addition to the F, I believe there was also an M and T designation after the model numbers. The models came in 5:1 and 4:1 gear ratios. All logos on the plates were still inserts.
    – Models – Same as the blackies except for the P designation. Also, the 400 models were introduced – P440, P447 and P454.

    Jason, I copied this from another site.. I have a P-344-F and a P-454-F, that I've pretty much regulated to fishing for bat rays or sharks, since I fish off of the sand 95% of the time...
    Butch
     
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    Good stuff Butch.. Thanks for the info. This has gotten me motivated to break both of my Newell’s down and service them. Right now as a matter of fact ! Lol. The 235-F is a wide little reel. Holds a lot of line for its size. I keep 20lb mono on that one. The P-338-F is also wide and holds a butt load of line. I’ve got 30lb mono on that one right now. Anyway.. yep, time to grab the mini screwdrivers and get busy.
     
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