Was pondering earlier while fishin.... why do some lakes, that have millions of people walking and BBQing, rely solely on permit money??? Arent joggers, dog walkers, baby pushers, Bikers and BBQers occupying the same place and doing the same thing as a fishermen who is catch and realease, but for free... ok, ok, Sooooo, I cast in "their water" with no intent on taking anything out but a smile, and im the one who has to pay? meanwhile the the hotdog bun bag flies into a bush from out of a full trash can next to a woman and her kids that suffocate my space insisting my huddleston is a real fish (which the kid thinks im hurting by casting, and begins to cry). then there is the dog shizz (that is never scraped well) that mingles its way onto my shoes and skateboard. While the pee runs off towards the shoreline the poo slowly follows... Also, good luck finding a parking spot to fish the mid afternoon-dawn bite on the weekends... kinda funny, they go to the lake to run and get excercise, but get mad when the parking lots are full and have to park outside. I guess some of the scenery is better than the other parts.... Whoever has been to murray could back the 20-1 car ratio ( non anglers->anglers)... soooo would $1.50-$2.00 be too rediculous to pay for non fishermen? also, I know this is crazy to say, maybe even think... A $2.50 permit for catch and release??? I dont know if this is happening at other lakes, but i think something should be changed.. when I was a kid, there used to be a concession stand that my dad and I would get chili cheese nachos and coffee on a cold day, buy tackle, and ask the nice older people where the fish were biting. Its been a long time since then... There is now a barred up shack with a robot standing gaurd. if the price of permits can be boosted in some places like santee and barret, could it ever be lowered for a seperate catch and release permit for fishermen at a place like Murray?