Need some traditional sinkers

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  1. William Ritchie

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    Just a shout out here . I am looking to collect some stones in the 1- 3 lb class that have natural worm holes bored clean thru. I am going to try catching Alaska halibut the traditional Tlingit way , stone weight , cedar hook with bone barbs , will be using old time sash cord for line as I won't have access to the raw materials here to make the cordage . If you are walking on the beach and find / see a good semi round stone thats hefty and looks like a 1/4 inch cord will go thru it , please pick it up and save it . I will pick up anywhere in San Diego Need 8 or 10 for spares and varying weight . Have found a couple already but after the beach has been torn up is the best time to find them . Thanks , Bill
     
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    Will keep an eye out for you.
     
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    My lunch spot has a lot of rocks right now so I'll keep an eye out.
     
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    One hell of a lot of sand missing from LJ at the moment
     
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    Yeah north county got pretty blasted. Opened up a lot of great new structure though with the grass.
     
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    Very cool.. I’d be interested in seeing a picture of the cedar hooks / bone barb. Post a pic if you would.
     
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    Still in the process of carving the upper hook sections will post when done . Will be using antler versus traditional Bear femur for the barb . Probably use hemp to bind all together as spruce root is a little tough to get around here . the photo here is not one I produced but mine will be of similar dimensions , just won't have art work in the flat section. These hooks are made to the size of a persons hand and are designed to catch fish in the 50 lb class , most male halibut only reach about that size . Even centuries ago they were thinking of sustainable fishing . Will be going July / August and will try from a sit in kayak although it won't be a skin boat . the hook floats upright as in the photo due to upper wood being of different type and buoyancy IE cedar on top spruce on bottom the line and weight are attached to the bottom section , bait is octopus or herring tied onto the length of the section retaining the barb . A beavertail or halibut shaped float is used at the surface so as to slap the surface when a fish is on . Tight lines DD /Edit In the photo of the young man with the fish you can see the hook fits the lower half of the jaw

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    Wow
     
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    I saw that article last week. I couldn't believe a rig like that would catch fish, but apparently it is very specific to halibut, and as you mentioned, to certain sized halibut. I think it's super cool that you're doing that. I will keep my eyes open for your stones. Please post a report on your trip when you get back.
     
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    I saw these in the museum and gift shops and my curiosity got the best of me . halibut hook resource final_080618.pdf the teachers in Juneau are using this syllabus to aid in teaching science , math ,engineering . with great success I might add also teaches the kids about their heritage as well . Is got me hooked !
     
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    Wow! I definitely learned something new today! Good luck!!
     
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    Yes, very cool William. In my mind, after looking at the pictures, I’m wondering why imply the top wood ? It seems well enough with a straight cedar and bone barb tied to it. It looks like the extra wood is just a henderence. The fish has to carefully park his mouth in between a gap like a parking garage. I see lots of missed strikes with this set up. Anyway, I know I’m wrong, and it does work, but it just looks like it would not work. Lol.
     
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    The bouancy of the different top wood keeps the barb upright so it always lands right. Probably forces the mouth down onto the barb as well. It is a set and forget setup so you’re probably right on the missed strikes but it just needs to work just often enough for the big one ha.

    At least those were my takes on the reads.
     
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    Looked around LJ for a few minutes earlier, didn't see any candidates. Will check OB one of these days
     
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    Wife and I went to Alaska a few years ago and on one of the tours they showed us traditional halibut fishing with that setup. William Ritchie can correct me if I'm wrong, but they said that it was to keep certain sizes of halibut from being caught. Can't remember the sizes though, just lucky to remember the trip. LOL
     
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    Yeah.. really large halibut can kill you, so they targeted a certain size range... Think that Jeremy Wade had an episode on that .
     
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    Does it have to be a rock with a hole in it to be traditional? In the picture above, it looks like they tie a net around a normal rock?
     
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    After rereading his post again I see that he said it's for halibut in the 50 pound class. My bad.
     
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    The examples in the state museum in Juneau where of a slate or sedimentary rock with worm holes , I suppose a rock and net or even rubber bands would do just trying to replicate as much of authenticity as possible , although some will be tough to do like the cedar bark or baleen cording . Bill
     
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