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  1. Medicated fisherman

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    The french recycle the uranium and plutonium. It can be done. They pay 6% more to recycle it then they would if they just buried the waste. I think that would be a good deal.
     
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    The technology has come a long way.
     
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    One needs to consider the full cycle to get the complete picture:
    1. How much energy was consumed and what chemicals were processed and released in the environment for the production of these solar panels.
    2. To get off the grid, your system has to have backup batteries. How about the total production cost in terms of energy and materials for your set of backup batteries? Storage problem gets even nastier on a large scale, when the amount of home-made electricity "producers" becomes larger portion of the customers pool. They produce energy when the consumption is low and consume when the consumption is high. Check SDGE recent changes in the rates and the plans forward.
    3. Before your panels age and lose efficiency you will need the change the batteries many times, what is the total environmental expense for recycling these batteries?
    4. Silicon is not rusting and stays forever along with its ingredients making if active. Aluminum substrates for poly-Si cells also don't rust too much and recycling of both substrate and active films have forbiddingly high energy costs, so it is not economical. Nondestructive electronic waste becomes a serious problem after time.

    So, full consideration shows that solar energy is not that clean and not as environmentally friendly as some poorly educated politicians make you to believe. This is even more true for the electrical cars. Check The Electric Cars Which Might Have Been - EPautos - Libertarian Car Talk and many other Eric's articles on the subject.
    Solar panels = socialism. Your household rips benefits from OTHERS people paying full price to SDGE to maintain the grid. In our bill, nearly half of the total is for various taxes and grid maintenance. I have calculated that we'll need close to 30 years to pay off investment in a solar system and even more for an off-grid system.
    I'm still considering maybe a smaller system with batteries backup but only for emergency needs. The problem is that houses with solar panels will be the first targets of the hungry crowds in a period of serious economic and social turbulence and for a day or two without power the system doesn't pay off the cost.
     
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    This is just too funny. So now I'm ripping other SDG&E customers? If you really did research you would see that people with solar are charged a monthly fee to help maintain the distribution grid.
    Sounds like you are more of socialist then you claim not to be. You say that people with solar aren't paying their fair share for the greater good of the populist, sounds like socialism to me.
    We don't have backup batteries so let's eliminate that from my equation.
    Do you drive a car? Look at all of the environmental destruction that it takes just to make a car. If you don't drive a car and use mass transportation the same environmental destruction takes place.
    The taking of raw materials and all of the power to refine that material pollutes the planet. Do you use a computer, what about all of that e-waste?
    Nothing is perfect. You pollute just like everyone else.
    SDG&E is just using the time of use so that people will use less power and they won't have to build more "peak generating units". It's not because people with solar are ripping off people without solar.
    How long does nuclear waste hang around?
    Sorry but my household isn't ripping off anyone.
    You're the one trying to brain wash everyone with your so called propaganda views on every subject.

    I have a propane portable generator for the times that the power is off. Have you calculated
    the cost of the lost food due to the lack of power?
     
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    Thank god the TMI (3 Mile Incident) didn't ruin the beautiful Susquehanna River. That is one of the premier Smallie rivers in the entire USA. Fantastic Musky and Walleye fishing too.
     
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    you be the judge,take away fertile farm land with cheap water rights, turn it into solar fields
    imperial valley and yuma grow the winter veggies for the country., oh why wouldnt they just use desert land that is open space and not prime farm land, 1. 800.00 to 1,000.00 per acre per year lease , sell the water rights to san diego for profit. 2.no environment studies or impact studies red tape, if its farm land. just a city counsel to buy off, easy pisy right.
    oh wait i'm hungry.,BIG PROBLEMS AHEAD FOR FOOD. theres only so many places to grow crops were water is available,
    we have been able to make electic , but cant store it, so tomorrow you have to make that same electric is that hi tech enough.
     
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  7. Larry M

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    I don’t have a problem with what you are saying. I just don't like the fact that I was accused of destroying the planet and ripping off people because I have solar.
    Geothermal seems to have fizzled out.
    Wind farms supposedly kills birds.
    They are working on using the ocean swells and currents to generate power.
    I'm not advocating that we cover the land with solar panels, but if someone wants solar for their home I don't see a problem with that. The power that I produced during the day for the most part covers my needs except when we run our AC. We are still billed monthly to maintain the grid. People with solar are helping to reduce the need for more power plants. Just my opinion.
    Nuclear is still an option, but it has its drawbacks also. Some states say that they won't let other states store their nuclear waste in their state. That was a mouth full, lol.
    As long as proper maintenance is being done we should be okay. As long as management doesn't try to cut corners.
     
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    I agree a 100 percent with roof top solar, win win, parking structures homes , apartments office buildings, I just don't like giving up prime farm land because it's easy to get, when there's miles on open desert, the tree huggers fight tooth and nail, and make it to hard to build the solar farms on. That is pointless
     
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    OK, sorry if you take my comment personally, I'm just using you as an example. And I never said you do this consciously.
    Tell me the average amount of your distribution charges and then I'll admit my mistake if the grid can accommodate and be completely supported when most customers owns system like yours. Being on the grid you still likely consume more in times without sunshine and evenings like most of the working people. Which means, if most of the customers switch to solar there would be a huge problem with energy storage that will take considerably more new investments.
    The statist arrangement of the so-called utility companies with the governments to protect their monopolists position is entirely another can of worms.
    Production of electric and hybrid cars use quite more energy and materials that that of cars with IC engines and this is well reflected in their price, then the buyers get subsidized again at my tax-payer's expense.
    Finally, dialog is NOT a brain washing. The later is reserved for the teachers in public schools that present only one side of the topics that fits their leftist agendas. Same with the mass media.
    At opposite, any open and unrestricted dialog hopefully promotes more independent thinking by enablic full spectrum of opinions. I like to see yours and to learn why are you thinking this way. Having lived and worked in two continents and four countries with various degrees of socialism and holding two advanced degrees perhaps I have some valuable experience and associated thinking to share. Sorry if you find this offensive.
     
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    I'll get back to you on this. I'll have to look at my bills. I also have lived on two continents. Lived in Naples Italy for two years. Right now I have something more important to do. Going to grandson's high school baseball game.
    Oh by the way I'll be driving my earth destroying Prius, thanks for helping me to pay for it.
     
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    Morning,
    here's part of my response I'll do more later.
    My distribution charge is just under $10 but I pay $7.40 because of my employees discount. This shows what I owe as of now but it will go up from there until the full payment is due.
    You may not like what I pay but it is something unlike what you said that I'm ripping people off by not paying anything.

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    As you can I'm also being taxed on the power that I export.
     
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    So you believe that $7-10 per household can support even the current grid, let alone future need if major portion of the customers pool switch to solar?
     
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    Apparently you can't comprehend what I said. You stated that I don't pay anything, I just showed you that I do.
    The amount may not be to your liking but I don't really care.
    You don't like the way things are done here immigrate to Canada.
    Elitist like you think they are so much better than the rest of us.
     
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    With all of your "advanced degrees" I just proved you wrong on the false statment that you made. Then to save face you turned it around with the statment "will that cover the cost?" Paraphrasing here.
     
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    Employee discount?

    See, you are raping the rest of us!

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    Rape? Thats a felony. Next?
     
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    Proved?! Let's try some simple math. Multiply $10 by the number of SDGE customers (reasonable estimates are OK) and then by 0.2 to 0.3 (20% to 30%). Check the financials of SDGE details about their spending on maintenance and related labor and insurance costs. What do you think covers the difference? Even without going to the exact digits, just try to honestly estimate these numbers.
    On the other hand, no one is blaming you personally. This is not yours decision, you are just getting whatever benefits of the system you can get. Like the most in advanced, rooting democracy. But I also see no reason to be proud with this either.
     
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    OK, I just reread your post and you didn't say that I don't pay anything. I interpreted that part wrong.
    I'm not going to go on with the discussions that I was going to do. That would be just an exercise in futility, we would just keep going around and around and not get anywhere.
    But I will say that I have been in eleven different countries. So I also have been around.
    I prefer to see the glass half-full and you prefer to see the glass half empty. We can't really have a discussion if you can't see some of the points from the opposition. So let's just leave it at that and I'll yield to you as being the authoritative debater on all subjects.
    Have a good one.
     
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    Thanks Larry but this is true only for someone actually looking for explanation. For others, any facts and logic are just as hopeless as talking to an electric post.(not sure if the pun was intended or not)
     
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    OK Larry, I see we had some misunderstanding and I admit I didn't go to the root of the problem and seemingly offended you - I apologize for this.
    Agree that families with solar help in power generation. Agree that they needed financial incentives to install such expensive systems. The main problem is rooted as usual in the government interference in the free market. In this case, the monopolistic deal of governments with the utilities companies. As a result, a good portion of the cost of the system is paid by the tax-payers, i.e. one more way for socialistic re-distribution. Then, utilities companies are free to determine monopolistic price schedule punishing with higher cost electricity users above some arbitrary limits. Utilities companies are as close to socialist enterprises as they can be in this system that is already departed so hopelessly from what made a small colony a greater economic power than the greatest before from which it split - free market. This is not a matter of perception, simply economic laws that predetermine the inevitable outcome.
    The case with the total environmental equation from the present situation with the electric cars rests at Home - EPautos - Libertarian Car Talk Eric is an independent professional auto journalist and besides the naked truth about the results from government interference in the car industry (including electrical) you will find many valuable opinions on many cars and trucks. The guy has also a great sense of humor, quite fun to read:) Stevie Behind the Wheel - EPautos - Libertarian Car Talk
    Assuming that you visited these 11 countries during your military service, I double my apologies and thank you for your service.
     
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