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Obama's Silent Coup

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  1. EncinitasWomp

    EncinitasWomp Well-Known Member

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  2. Medicated fisherman

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    Right before Obama left office he made it so all 17 intelligence agencies can access the data gathered by NSA domestic spying programs. Republicans are just as responsible for creating an intrusive unconstitutional data mine. I heard an interview from one of the creators of the system that resigned after because he had to blow the whistle, claim they record every conversation and data transmission anyone makes. They can then mine the data for dirt on anyone in the United States. I have even heard there is a copy of every Internet action anyone makes. It is an enormous amount of data. I don't know how much of that is true of tin foil hat stuff but when an ex official breaks rank I tend to give his statements some credibility.
    That said President Trump needs to audit and fire every hold over from the Obama administration he can. Obama and Jarett are running a shadow government and it is up to Trump to put a stop to it. Obama put this in place as soon as it looked like Trump might win. Now it's time for this to stop. If Trump is as big a buffoon as the left tries to make him out to be, why not leave him alone to self implode? If his policies are going to create misery as the left claims then let him screw up, it's only going to help the left if he does. Honestly they know he is going to undue the policies destroying the US and the shady dems and Repubs are going to be exposed as globalist with greed as there motive.
     
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    Totally on point. There are too many politicians on both sides that allow this stuff to go on by standing silent. This is many times bigger than Watergate; truly unpresidented.
     
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    No way a pres can order a wiretap. It is signed off by a circulating federal judge, which means there was probable cause for the tap request to be granted. Trump should worry about that -- this may blow up in his face if it turns out he or his associates were complicit with the Russians impacting our election. He calls for an investigation, the truth will come out one way or the other.
     
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    Why was there an investigation? Period! The Russian thing is blowing up in the dems face as Tony Podesta took a $170,000 payment to influence Obama to lift restrictions against Russian banks.
    It only takes one politicized judge to issue the warrents. The first attempt was denied as it was clearly a fishing expedition. If they had dirt on Trump it would have been leaked before the elections. They don't have anything exempt accusations and the Media. The dems are the ones that have to worry. With the latest batch of leaks. BTW Scisport can you lay out the evidence that you have seen in detail showing the Russians A. Hacked the elections B. Trump or any of his associates had anything to do with it?
     
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    No his minion Loretta Lynch can. You know the one that had a secret meeting with the husband of a women being investigated by her department. That corrupt joke of an AG. FISA issues 99.8% of warrents requested. The fact that the first one was denied just shows how little was there when they started this Russia joke. Obama lifted Sanctions against Iran so Russia can start selling to them again. Obama let Putin take Krimia. Obama was caught on a hot mic telling the Russian ambassador to tell Putin to give him "space" and " I'll have more flexibility after the election" in 2012. Who's the Russian Puppet?
     
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    I think the odds of the truth being in our favor are pretty good at this point.

    According to ABC, all applications to the FISA Court were signed off on by the Attorney General. This means that Lynch signed off on any requests for wire tapping Trump during the Presidential race. The FISA Court turned down President Obama’s Administration’s first request to wire tap President Trump that was signed off on by Attorney General Lynch. Only two FISA Court applications were denied out of 10,700 from 2009 through 2015. One of two FISA applications that were denied since 2009 was related to Trump. This tells me they were on a fishing expedition.

    Separate and apart from the FISA applications, Obama could have legally listened to the phone calls of Trump. It's immoral and unconstitutional, but he could have done it. Don't quote me, but I think the President has had that power since the Carter administration. All Obama (or someone in his administration) had to do was pick up the phone and ask the NSA (part of the military) to turn over any data they have relating to conversations Trump had with anyone in Trump Tower.

    Although the FISA Court is highly secretive and we may not get every last detail, I think it will be shown conclusively that Obama and his administration used electronic spying both on the record (FISA) and off the record (illegal) in order to sabotage Trump's campaign and help Hillary.
     
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    Where are you guys getting all of this info? Would love to read it myself. Not disputing it, just interested in reading more.
     
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    Brietbart is a news media for russia. stop being manipulated!
     
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    The best thing to is do a Google news search for Trump FISA, etc. and sift through the news. However, here is good start: http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-evidence-is-overwhelming-mark-levin-on-obama-wiretap-accusations/.

    While I don't like Fox News (with the exception of Hanity) they do have some great people on once in a while (Mark Levin - a true constitutional lawyer and Judge Napolitano). In this video, Levin lays out a great case using MSM news articles.

    Obviously someone is lying. My question is where did all the facts for the MSM articles come from? 1. Are the facts fake and therefor the news is fake? 2. Were the facts leaked from info obtained by electronic monitoring and Obama and his former administration are lying about ordering or knowing about the electronic monitoring? or 3. Was there actual credible evidence that Trump or someone in his campaign was working with a foreign government and electronic monitoring was warranted.

    My bet lies with number 2 being the winner. Number 1 isn't a real option. As far as number 3 goes, I think anything and everything about Trump/ his administration (however obtained) would have been released prior to the election if there was actual credible evidence. Trump wants to, for all intents and purposes, do the exact opposite of whatever Obama did. In a few years, many of Obama's "signature policies" will have been eradicated, making him but a footnote in the history books. You don't think Obama doesn't know this? You don't think that if there was one piece of paper, email, etc actually linking Trump or his campaign to a foreign government it wouldn't have been released? Of course it would have. If not by the Obama administration than by true patriots in the intelligence community who would have wanted to call Trump out.
     
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    Your feelings about Breitbart have nothing to do with what is cited. For the most part, cites are facts, not opinion. All the news outlets cited by Levin are leftist outlets.To simplify the issue for you, Levin is pointing out that the left was reporting on the electronic monitoring of Trump months ago, but now, along with the former Obama administration, are saying there was no electronic monitoring of Trump. Where did the facts for the articles come from? Did the news outlets make them up or did they come from electronic monitoring? You tell me.
     
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    ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, The Wahington Compost are all left wing propaganda outlets. What's your point. The article sights sources that can be verified unlike your Russian allegations.
     
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    Didn't the obama administration pretty much openly interfere with Israel's last election.
     
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    They don't have a point. How can they argue against their own news sources?
     
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    Flynn was tapped, that's for sure! He was in Trump Tower when it happened. Also whoever tapped him, leaked it to the Washing Post. The same people would not tap Trump?
     
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    Well, as with so much of today's political topics, it depends on your sources. As for the Israeli election thing, I see the usual suspects asserting this allegation: upload_2017-3-8_6-0-53.png
     
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    Of course no "credible" sources like the New York times, Washington post, Huffington post, ABC,NBC, CNN. Give me a break. It was verified by the US Senate permanent subcommittee on investigations. I guess it didn't happen because the MSM ignored it.
    Thank you for showing us a great example of how the MSM ignores stories then the left claims it never happened because the MSM never reported on it. Regardless of the actual results of an investigation.
     
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    It is proven the State Department gave $350,000 to OneVoice. OneVoice's purported objective is/ was to back Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement efforts. It is also fact OneVoice used at least some of the money to build a voter database, train activists and hire a political consulting firm for an anti-Netanyahu campaign.

    Whatever our intent was with the $350,000 donation is irrelevant. At least some of the money was used to fund an anti-Netanyahu campaign. There is no denying this happened.

    If Russia gave money to a conservative group who's main objective was to back efforts to secure the borders and that group donated some of the money to the Trump campaign, you are telling me you wouldn't say the Russians help fund the Trump campaign? Right.....You'd be throwing a fit because Russia gave money to the group in the first place; and you know what? You'd also be 100% correct. We shouldn't give money to any foreign groups regardless of their objective and we shouldn't allow any of our groups to accept foreign money (that may already be illegal, but don't have time to check).
     
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    Most likely a bit of of truth on both sides.

    How about this. When the time comes that either Trump or Obama are actually implicated with clear facts and evidence can SD Fish Members and society come back and say I told you so without making a martyr out of either person? Or would you still carry the torch?

    Maybe we should start a betting pool. If no one wins we could donate the money to a nonpartisan charity.

    I have my money on Trump going down. If it turns out Obama goes down I could accept that.

    Trump whines way too much for my liking. When my kids kids whine it never works and they are always wrong, he also strikes me as a bully. Bullies usually get what is coming to them at one point.

    Obama knows the game. He may be involved but has the upper hand of knowledge when it comes to how the government works. If we were talking about a lease agreement or a building project I would put my money on Trump.

    I thought Hillary was going to win so I would have definitely lost that bet. My brother thought Trump would win months before the election, still thought he would win after the putty grabbing comments. He also thought he would not make it the 4 year full term.

    Maybe, time will tell????
     
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