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Obama's Silent Coup

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  1. StinkyPinky

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    I believe he is giving examples like the neckbeards (conspiracy theoriests) saying simple flu vaccines are secretly a extension of the MkUltra.. On another note is sad when there are cases certain experimental vaccines causing comas or side effects.
     
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    Or is it?

    The energy output from the Sun has increased significantly during the 20th century, according to a new study.

    Many studies have attempted to determine whether there is an upward trend in the average magnitude of sunspots and solar flares over time, but few firm conclusions have been reached.

    Now, an international team of researchers led by Ilya Usoskin of the Sodankylä Geophysical Observatory at the University of Oulu, Finland, may have the answer. They examined meteorites that had fallen to Earth over the past 240 years. By analyzing the amount of titanium 44, a radioactive isotope, the team found a significant increase in the Sun's radioactive output during the 20th century.

    Over the past few decades, however, they found the solar activity has stabilized at this higher-than-historic level.

    http://www.space.com/2942-sun-activity-increased-century-study-confirms.html
     
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    Wow, interesting research.

    Especially this part

    "During the last few decades, the solar activity is not increasing. It has stabilized at a high level, but the Earth's climate still shows a tendency toward increasing temperatures," Usoskin explained.

    He suspects even if there were a link between the Sun's activity and global climate, other factors must have dominated during the last few decades, including the increase of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere."
     
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    This might be what the stabilizing trend of the last few decades that research indicated.

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    I guess we see what we want to see. You said there was no change. Well.. There is.
    Is it the only variable? No.. I never said that.
    I gave you a scientific study from a very pro-environment website that had cold hard facts and you decided to hang on a sentence that starts with "He suspects"... Well, I suspect the higher than normal "stabilized" temps are having a chronic effect on our environment. Kind of like a dog in a car in 90* will take a lot longer to die than one in a 120* car. Or maybe the higher "stabilized" temps are causing organics to "off-gas" at a higher rate. Maybe with all the Cattle farts it affects it.. I don't know.. Good as a guess as his!
    Again, the truth is somewhere in the middle, as always..
     
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    I agree that some people see what they want to see.
    Like I said, very interesting research.
    If he is correct that the sun's output has stabilized at a higher rate then it's a little more like human activity has added a whole bunch MORE blankets instead of throwing some off when the thermostat gets ticked up a few notches.
     
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    One persons experience is entirely anecdotal, and is often the cause of faulty beliefs. I know people who believe their cancer was healed through touch. I've never had cancer, or been healed by someone's touch, but I feel completely entitled to question their belief on a scientific basis. Are you suggesting that the only people who could possibly understand a link between autism and vaccines are parents of children with autism who had their children vaccinated? By "experience", I mean people who have the expertise to understand what's going on. Like, formal education and training. So...yes, I will defer to them on the issue.
     
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    My late stepfather was a policeman in his younger days. The courts considered him an "expert" in marijuana. Yet, he never ever tried any form of marijuana in his life. That's laughable st the very least. I question anyone who calls themselves an expert without first hand experience. Reading a lot about a subject does not qualify anyone as an expert. Sorry
     
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    Uh, like what's the question?
     
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    "I question anyone who calls themselves an expert without first hand experience." Really?!?! You can't think of a single example in which someone who has read a lot about a subject might be an expert without having directly experienced what their studying?
     
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    I guess someone isn't a first hand grammar expert!
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    Ok, ok. You're right. I think I'll go "study" all there is to "know" about skydiving. Then I'll come back to this thread and teach you all about it. I don't ever plan on actually jumping out of an airplane, though. All I need is what, four years? Then, with all of my research and experience, I'll know exactly what it's like to jump
     
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    I'm kinda an expert in this field as well..
     
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    Lol! Come on man. Some things require first hand experience, some require academic knowledge, and most require both. Can we agree on that? In addition to fishing, I spend a lot of time rock climbing. I can't tell you how many climbers I see that have spent tons of hours on a rope, and are still inefficient, because they never bother to study rope management, etc. Same goes for fishing. Guys have a ton of time on the water, and still can't catch fish. I've also done work that required me to be a wilderness first responder. I can tell you that I've never personally experienced most of the injuries I had to treat, but people still trusted me to treat them, because I had been formally trained and certified to do so.
     
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    So let's go back to the original point about vaccines. You're saying that a family whose child had a vaccine and suffered from a side effect, and was officially diagnosed by a doctor to suffer that side effect isn't qualified enough to say themselves that their child was negatively effected by the vaccine thanks to a side effect because they don't all have doctorate degrees in vaccination studies? That's just ridiculous, I'm sorry.
     
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    That is exactly what I'm saying. No, they do not have the expertise to diagnose causality. That has to be done through scientific research, of which there has been plenty, and no relationship between vaccines and autism has been found. Here's a quote from the Autism Science Foundation - "We looked at children who received vaccines and those who didn’t, or who received them on a different, slower schedule. There was no difference in their neurological outcomes. Multiple studies have been completed which investigated the measles, mumps and rubella vaccination in relation to autism. Researchers have also studied thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative, to see if it had any relation to autism. The results of the studies are very clear; the data show no relationship between vaccines and autism." Here's a 2013, Center for Disease Control study finding no relationship between vaccines and autism - http://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(13)00144-3/pdf?ext=.pdf.

    This is why we don't bleed people anymore when they have a fever. Anecdotal evidence is psychologically powerful, but seriously flawed if it's held onto in the face of clear scientific evidence.

    On another note. If you've had personal experience with this I'm very sorry to hear that. I've worked with kids who have varying levels of autism and their parents are absolute saints. Love the kids, but I can think of few things more emotionally challenging.
     
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    Sounds like you're just blowing smoke!
     
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