Obama's Silent Coup

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  1. Larry M

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    Maybe he was or wasn't, we will never know either way in our lifetime. We will all be long gone when the truth comes out either way. History will tell.

    All we can do is try to fix his screw ups.
    An one world society is not for me. He tried his best to do it, just another one of his failures.

    If all the people who dislike President Trump, they should stop their 401Ks, cash in what they have as a protest against him. You may not like him , but I bet that you like the stock market, that means that you like some things about him. So be true to yourself, get out of the stock market, that will show him.
     
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    Trump questioned his citizenship only after Hillarys campain created the story. Alot about Obamas citizenship is questionable. I still hear people on the left accusing Bush and Cheney of perpetrating 9/11.
     
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    You can find people on the left or right that say, do and believe all sorts of wild things. People let rattle snakes bite them in the name of Jesus. Some people still believe the earth is flat.

    It would not surprise me that democrats fight amount themselves and create absurd stories about a rival. The difference between Hillary manufacturing a story and Donald running with it for years are two different things.

    Just so I am clear, the Hillary creating the birther issue has been debunked many times. Can you guess who started that conspiracy theory? Your using one lie to justify another lie both perpetrated by the same liar. Classic!
     
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    Wait! The world isn't flat?

    A lie is a lie. Hillary said that he was not born here to win the election. President Trump may of ran with it, but I bet that a lot of Democrats were thinking the same thing so that Hillary could win. She's a two time loser.
     
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    Hillarys campain was the first to suggest it. It was Mark Penn that sent a Memo suggesting they exploit Obamas background as non American. She used it in an election.Trump was not a politician when he questioned Obamas birth certificate. No, Trump did not create the Birth Certificate issue, he was just a public figure who brought it public.
     
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    It's funny when they try and call Trump a lier but can never point out any lies. Apparently they don't know the difference between questioning someone's birth certificate being real to a lie.
    I'll give them a few examples of a lie.
    Lie 1: "I didn't send or receive Emails marked classified at the time"
    Lie 2: Hillary turned over all work related Emails
    Lie 3: Hillary claimed to use one devise despite having multiple devises.
    Lie 4: She called the TPP the Gold Standard then lied about saying it.
    Lie 5: Hillary blamed Benghazi on a YouTube video publicly but said the opposite in private.
    Lie 6: Hillary lied about her and her staff wiping servers "you mean like with a cloth?".
    Lie 7: Hillary claimed she tried to join the Marines but was turned away. That was shown to be a lie.
    Those are some examples of real lies. I could go on and on but you get the point.
     
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    Out in Kansas it is!
     
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    Up next, more "truthful hyperbole" (translation -- a lie) from the Tweeter in Chief:


    “Donald Trump did not run a wonkish campaign heavily focused on detailed white papers or background briefings with experts. He did, however, make some pretty clear promises on health care policy.


    “I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid,” Trump told the conservative Daily Signal way back in May 2015. “Every other Republican is going to cut, and even if they wouldn’t, they don’t know what to do because they don’t know where the money is. I do.”


    In an early January interview with the Washington Post, he said that Trumpcare would feature “insurance for everybody,” in contrast to an ACA that, while bringing the uninsurance rate to a historic low, has still left 25 million people without coverage. The plans, he said, would have “much lower deductibles.” And ability to pay, he said, wouldn’t be an issue. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”


    The centerpiece of the Trump-endorsed American Health Care Act, by contrast, is a $600 billion tax cut. Families with incomes below $208,500 per year will see their taxes fall by an average of $0 per year, receiving none of that money. But members of the top 0.1 percent of the income distribution — households with an annual income of more than $3.75 million — will see their taxes fall by an average of $165,090 per year.


    If you are a multimillionaire and someone in your family gets sick, in other words, AHCA is going to be great for you.


    But when you take $600 billion out of the American health care system and funnel it to a small elite group of people, the inevitable result is that everyone else has to get by with less.


    Since Republicans are trying to get the bill into the end zone without an official analysis from the Congressional Budget Office, which would project how many people the plan would cover and how much it would cost, it’s hard to know for sure exactly how many people with go with how much less. But Standard & Poor’s thinks 6 million to 10 million people will lose insurance, while Brookings analysts think the number may be 15 million or higher.


    The administration’s current strategy is to simply lie about this and say that nobody is going to lose coverage. But that’s absurd. To enact an enormous tax cut under budget reconciliation rules, you need offsetting long-term spending cuts. That’s why the bill shifts $370 billion in Medicaid costs onto state governments, some of which will obviously respond by throwing people off of the program. AHCA also drastically reduces federal subsidies to help people pay for insurance — in 11 high-cost states, the subsidies are cut in half — meaning many people will drop out.”
     
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    You're right, it wasn't Hillary who created the birther campaign, it was Obama when in his autobiography/memoir/whatever you want to call it, he talked about growing up in Kenya! It would be a lie to deny that.
     
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    Can you show a link or something from Obama's autobiography stating that he grew up in Kenya?
     
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    Hmmm, that link was not much help showing where he said he grew up in Kenya.
     
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    Sorry other poster said Obama talked about growing up in Kenya in his autobiography. Just wanted a link to that. I think I should have been more clear. Not really concerned what another party wrote about him.
     
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    Wow. Where do I start...

    Ok, how about this one: “We got 306 because people came out and voted like they’ve never seen before so that’s the way it goes. I guess it was the biggest Electoral College win since Ronald Reagan."
    Fact: George H. W. Bush won with 426 electoral votes in 1988. Bill Clinton won 370 votes in 1992 and 379 in 1996, and Barack Obama won with 365 votes in 2008.

    Or this one: “Chris Cuomo, in this interview with Sen. Blumenthal, never asked him about his long-term lie about his brave ‘service’ in Vietnam. FAKE NEWS!”
    Fact: Cuomo, while interviewing Blumenthal asked, “What is your response to the president of the United States, who says you should not be believed because you misrepresented your military record in the past?”

    Or this one: "the murder rate in the US was the highest it’s been in 45 to 47 years.”
    Fact: According to FBI and other law enforcement agencies the US murder rate is close to an all time low.

    Or this one:
    “I happened to be in Scotland, at Turnberry, cutting a ribbon, when Brexit happened,” he said. “And we had a vast amount of press there and I said – this was the day before, you probably remember – ‘Brexit is going to happen’ and I was scorned in the press for making that prediction, I was scorned.

    “Lo and behold the following day it happened and the odds weren’t looking good for me when I made that statement because as you remember everyone thought it wasn’t going to happen.”

    Fact: Trump arrived in Scotland the day after the EU referendum, June 24, 2016, when the result was already clear.

    Or this one: Regarding the inauguration crowd..“Here’s a picture of the crowd, the audience was the biggest ever it went all the way back to the Washington Monument.”

    Fact: Aerial views of the crowd at 11a.m. and 12 p.m. around the time Trump took the oath of office show that the crowd witnessing the inauguration did not extend back to the Washington Monument.

    Just tell me if I should list more..
     
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    There could be something out there that I am not aware of, but from my recollection, the biography Obama's literary agent produced was the source.
     
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    What a list of stuff nobody cares about. Kinda like when Hillary made up a story about landing under sniper fire. I guess an exaggeration of crowd size is the equivalent of living to cover up the Murder of a US ambassador or lying to congress about having an illegal server. You were fine with your girl Hillary despite her lies, so what's your beef with Trump?
     
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    [QUOTE="....Just so I am clear, the Hillary creating the birther issue has been debunked many times. Can you guess who started that conspiracy theory? Your using one lie to justify another lie both perpetrated by the same liar. Classic![/QUOTE]

    Hillary herself didn't start the birther theory, but it originated from her campaign according to her former campaign manager Patti Doyle (see partial transcript of interview with CNN below). It's also widely documented Hillary's campaign staff circulated a photo of Obama in Muslim gear and even discussed via email targeting Obama's "lack of American roots"; both of which imply Obama wasn't a natural born citizen.

    Blitzer: Someone supporting Hillary Clinton was trying to promote this so-called Birther issue? What happened?

    Doyle: So we — absolutely, the campaign nor Hillary did not start the Birther movement, period, end of story there. There was a volunteer coordinator, I believe, in late 2007, I believe, in December, one of our volunteer coordinators in one of the counties in Iowa — I don’t recall whether they were an actual paid staffer, but they did forward an email that promoted the conspiracy.

    Blitzer: The Birther conspiracy?

    Doyle: Yeah, Hillary made the decision immediately to let that person go. We let that person go. And it was so, beyond the pale, Wolf, and so not worthy of the kind of campaign that certainly Hillary wanted to run.
     
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    Hillary and Donald... They both lie. I can accept that. How do the pictures of them rubbing elbows in the good old days make you feel. Its just business man. One is a pig and the other is a pig with some lipstick on. I don't mind if Trump is your guy. I do mind if you wont hold him to the same standard as you would anyone else. I would not let either of them date my daughter. If one is not questioning both sides then one should question themselves.
     
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    Believe me, I wouldn't let Hillary date my daughter either!
     
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