Sweetwater and Loveland

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  1. Everydog

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    Went Back to the Bi-monthly land use meeting and pitched a follow-up to Monday's email to all supervisors.

    Direct Democracy Rocks!
    I followed up Monday's email to all the County Supervisors with another live pitch at the BOS Land use meeting this morning. Direct Democracy rocks!


    The pitch:

    Good morning,


    This Monday I sent out an email to each of you, advancing the introduction I made two weeks ago regarding the Public Benefit Recreation and Conservation issues At Loveland Reservoir in Alpine-----

    I have requested that an MOU be put in place between the county and the SWA for the Public access and fishing program. Details are outlined in my email.

    Please work together with your county supervisor colleagues to bring this situation under norms of due process of law and democracy. This will remove all inequities and looming threats of worse destruction at the reservoir.

    Supervisor Anderson’s staff has told me that there will be a county initiative to explore possible inter-agency management of lakes in the Unincorporated Areas. His staff has agreed that I will be kept in the loop as a stakeholder. The MOU and compliance by the SWA should be a condition of bringing the public's interests to the table.

    There is a link in the email to a file that contains sufficient documents to easily defend demands along the lines of what I am suggesting.

    (I thanked the supervisors , and told them that given the efforts of my direct democracy that I would really appreciate acknowledgement of my email from Monday.)
     
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    Observation.

    Every politician talks about transparency but it will never be "given" on any significant topic. Go look at the names on the doors of all the Bureaucratic and Regulatory departments at at the County Administration building and ask yourself if transparency, if it ever did get escorted through those doors by some well meaning politicians initiative , would it ever get out alive? Hell no. It's just talk. Super reality check , back door deals are happening with all this happy talk of transparency in the air. They happen even while the public , thinks they are participating in the agenda.

    Second lesson. The county supervisors number one activity is running for re-election, probably on some ******** notion of transparency, but it's really, promote yourself to your electorate and build your political allies at all times. . That's the political reality one must cut through.
     
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    Hopeful thought of the day, maybe a wish in one hand and **** in the other notion. The SWA is too much in the limelight to drain (steal) Loveland reservoir next winter. We might even get appropriate recreational pool back.
     
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    I hope so, for your community's sake
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    Hat tip Carpkiller,
    Also , Like the direction that finally helped me get the news coverage ,the idea to push the MOU came from Carpkiller, credit where credit is due. Thank you !

    It's not that we are sure to get it , it's that the board heard the right "ask" at the right time. MOU is much more appropriate than all this blind-eye turning and shoulder shrugging and legislative immunity and almost certain bailouts, all directed towards the rogue special district and nil for constituents. It's on the record.
     
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    The beautiful thing about taking action is that the next indicated thing becomes self -evident. In this case its time to take out a can of WA. Keeping in mind that ' go rambo" still includes the notion that the pen is mightier than the sword.
     
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    Supposedly the SWA is going to answer this Public Records Request on October 6th. This, the correct version of recreational pool is much better than what we have and where we might be heading.

    Dear Ms.xxxxxxx ,
    Ms. xxxxxx , please distribute this email, which is a Public Records request and/ request for normal communication courtesies if possible, to all SWA board members, Mr. Mosher, Ms. Sabine and the new General Manager Mr. Quintero.
    We should all be willing to consider that finding the true recreational pool through logical interpretation of the documents that I obtained through the Brown Act, is as important as the Brown Act itself . Please consider the obvious goal of this email , to honestly locate recreational pool, as a PRA requested as of today 09/19/2021. If it does not follow under the Brown Act, it should be done as a matter of public trust.
    This map is the map of recreational pool. There is no doubt about it. It correlates in many different ways to other negotiation documents, and 1997 versions of lake flyers and maps , and more maps , the kiosk at the lake, as well as all descriptions and images about Loveland Reservoir on the Cleveland National Forest Website until they took it down a few weeks ago.( I saved it all) Why would anyone even think for a moment that your prior board and staff professionals would put the fishing float outside of the recreational pool and in the dirt?
    The original recreational pool map is page 6 of the Descanso Rangers document which Mr. Mosher previously researched. Someone at SWA gave it to ranger Dean. Possibly the person with initials RJW, as annotated on the map, or somebody RJW worked for.
    Please determine who this person ,or people are if possible and please provide all documents from this person or people related to the fishing program relocation and maintenance over the years from 1995 to present.
    -Recreational pool is this level that provides 3.6 to 5 miles of shoreline , plus a buffer equal to most extreme effects on the water level from evaporation that occurred during the 19 years prior to 1996.
    This matches the commitments the SWA instructed the Descanso ranger to promise the DFW and conservation watchdogs and ,public watchdogs, people concerned with aesthetics of the lake, views, firefighting, and fishing people. The Descanso ranger , the DFW these conservationists and the public raising hell like I am, did not commit to a recreational pool equal to SWA historic emergency pool, the new even lower level that is a result of the SWA Board unanimously voting to do this drastic 2021 drawdown without a feasibility study , and especially not to the drastic drawdowns the Gillingham people have worked out, which the board is currently considering.
    I have many more documents to corroborate this fact. If there is any doubt, please give the public the respect of meeting me and allowing me to present this case to open and fair minded Board and/or Staff from the Sweetwater Authority. The public and wildlife that depend on this reasonable and legally required minimum level should not be subject to continued threats of destruction of the lake environment and short changing on the fishing program that belongs to them.
    As always , thank you for you work on this important matter.
    Sincerely,

    Russell Walsh
    Loveland Public Access and Conservation
     
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    Good drone video of Loveland. This video is included in their sand mining page and is for potential sand mining partners to survey the lay of the land. Assistant GM for SW claims no sand mining will happen at Loveland and it does seem off the agenda there for now. Not true about Sweetwater Reservoir. Water in the Lovleland video is lower than land Swap agreement level, but a lot better than it is now.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJjJntvotTM


    Sweetwater Reservoir

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chHXBqImSUw
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3-Kibo_OVI&t=6s

    Sweetwater Authority propaganda piece from their YouTube Channel. . Starting at 4:14 in the video the SWA environmental staff goes on like they have Saint Francis of Assisi like concern for wildlife and the habitat. If you don't speak Spanish, you'll have to trust me on that. No offense to the young man , maybe he would like to work for a firm that actually cares.

    The video was made at the same time the Board started debating the highly destructive sand mining plans which they are still trying to go forward with at Sweetwater Reservoir. I wonder when they will get the PR firm back out there to set the record straight for the communities the video was aimed at , and for their rate payers.
     
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    Two of several new Public Records requests. These two sets of data will allow us to calculate how many millions of dollars they have pinched from recreational pool over the years. Realistically speaking, they will probably throw away what they aren't required to save. It will still be interesting , We have other graphs, charts and reports , that would allow for reasonable extrapolation once a year like 2021 is accurately calculated. It's probably somewhere between 2-3 million dollars for this year alone.




    1) Please provide all available data for "feet below the Spillway" measurements at Loveland Reservoir , according to the staff gauge and other methods taken during the timeframe of 12/1/1995 and 10/01/2021.

    2)Please provide the annual cost average for water purchased by the Sweetwater Authority , per acre foot , from outside the Sweetwater River Watershed for the years 1997-2021.
     
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    Jamul Shopper magazine, has a small article sounding the alarm on Sand Mining at the Reservoirs. Protecting fishing was a concern mentioned. Despite the assistant General Managers promise that there is going to be no sand mining at Loveland, subsequent board discussions include the possibility. Anyway, my view is that we might as well try to stop sand mining at both reservoirs. I feel for the people around Sweetwater Reservoir with these reckless SWA people.
     
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    On February 24th Seven of us participated at the Sweetwater Authority board demanding compliance with SWA obligation to operate the lake 7 days a week , to expand the shoreline to make is match the 3.6-5 miles promised during the land Swap and that the lake be opened Sunrise to Sunset per all historical documents.

    The SWA agreed to open the lake 7 days a week. Ignored sunrise to sunset demands but promised to expedite increasing shoreline access from the one mile they left us after the excessive drawdown.



    This is just a small note in the minutes but the promises are more obvious in the video recordings:

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    My friend at the board, now Chairman, Hector Martinez, promised in an email that I could relax and let staff get the shoreline expansion done without my help. He even engaged in a long conversation about sunrise to sunset and appeared to agree that my arguments for returning to that operation were sound. It's a long story but if he ever was truly an advocate, my resistance to draining the lake further and against sand mining at Loveland had turned him against me. He alternately appeased and harassed me until I told him to quit trying to con me because it was obvious he was trying to manipulate my advocacy away from Loveland public access and conservation.

    Here is the email where Chairman Martinez reassured me the promises to open more Shoreline would happen. His writing is in caps under my comments. I have begged pleaded and pushed the SWA to return with follow-up on these promises but they refuse to and will not discuss allowing the reservoir to return to recreational pool as rains permit either. It looks like they just made the promises to appease the public discourage the seven people from returning to their board meetings.





      • I hope you are enjoying the good news and new opportunities arising from the improvements in the Covid situation. YES
        At the last meeting a lot of promises were made? YES

        What is going to become of those? MOVING FORWARD TO OPENING SOON. NEW AND ADDITIONAL STAFF.
        PROCESSING CLEARANCE TO MOVER THE LIMIT CABLE TO PERMANENTLY INCREASE FISHING AREA
        *Lakes is going to be opened quickly to seven days a week?
        THATS THE PLAN
        * The question of opening more shoreline expediently was going to be vetted ASAP.
        YES
        I tried to help vet the question for the public's sake by using the public records request on the SWA website. No proof that more shoreline wasn't available could be found by the records people. No suggestion that there were state federal or local agencies impeding the fulfillment of the offer to extend the shoreline were offered.
        STAFF WILL CLEAR THE WAY

        * If there are agencies blocking this issue perhaps public comment on the importance of restoring the recreational opportunities lost with the excessive draining of the fishing program could be useful in removing obstacles to SWA fulfilling these commitments faster. I know I would provide statements in this regard and so will other members of the public.
        I DONT ANTICIPATE RESISTANCE TO AUGMENT.
        It's fair to have a fishing program that matches what SWA sold to the public, is described in the easement , and still advertises on it's website, on the Cleveland National Forest website and on the kiosk at the lake.
        I AGREE

        * What organizaton is stopping the SWA from following through on what the board offered at the last meeting with fishing on the agenda?
        PROCESS
        Claims were made that the SWA likes to meet it's obligations.
        YES
        Claims are also being made the the SWA only throws out what the public wants to hear to calm us down and appease us with no actual goal of fixing problems it heaps on us.
        I DISAGREE.
        To be honest that pattern seems pretty self evident over the last year and even previous years. I hope it's not really been a factor and isn't now.
        DONT UNDERSTAND THIS COMMENT.
        Russell .



    SWA discussed it internally but instead of keeping their promises or even giving a responsible update to the public they have hunkered down in silence.
    Moving The Bouy Line discussed internally. SWA_WAL0001365.pdf


    As I stated earlier , we have tried many methods to get the SWA to be transparent about this issue and even made it more clear to them that recreational pool is the level which allows a minimum of 3.6 to a maximum of 5 miles of shoreline in the east end of the lake. All this information lends to the conclusion that they agree! I have reached out to the pubic affairs officer asking them to make good faith announcement on their intentions to comply. First a deflection and when I pushed for a clear answer, Crickets.

    2-3 million dollars of water is gone from the public's set asides and the SWA hides and won't respond.
     
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    SWA was very quick with this data that I requested just a few days ago. Water has increased in price tremendously. I guess we can keep building houses after all(sarcasm).

    I think there is a link to when they started buying less water in acre feet in 2010-2011 and when they started pinching our recreational pool. That's what I was after. It's pretty stark , actually even realizing it must be adjusted for local rainfall data. That is also when the SWA Board and some important professional staff who made the Fishing program was turning over, and then they started taking away sunrise to sunset access.

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    It's absurd that I am doing this alone , afraid of getting myself screwed somehow, while government partners stubbornly stay asleep, or give "legislative immunity" to the SWA like Anderson's office has.
     
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    How the heck can the current Descanso Ranger Determine that there is no required minimum water level as a result of the land swap agreement? His predecessor Descanso Ranger Dean, the main public negotiator in said land swap, put this into a very important document to the DFW in which he defined expected water levels from commitments given to him by the Sweetwater Authority. This is right up there with "sunrise to sunset" in a fishing program easement doesn't mean " sunrise to sunset" but suggest a 'maximum". I guess everything in these agreements just means whatever the SWA wants it to mean.
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    This is how Supervisor Anderson's staff handled my complaint about the lake closing much earlier than sunset in the summer time. Got her talking points from the SWA. I knew it all along. Carrying water for the SWA such a distinct tone of disdain from my concerns = disdain for everybody who busts their asses working and wants to get a few hours fishing in in the evening during the hot summer months.

    She never tried to bring up the fact that the deal was for sunrise to sunset. Just looking for something to get me off their backs. BTW , this is a junior staff, but the problems were long before shared with higher ups. Anderson Chief of staff who had told me "Mr. Anderson Appreciates it when constituents want to help solve problems". Yeah , sure.
    Carry more water for the Sweetwater Authority.

    Madeline Getting talking points from SWA as I claimed..pdf
     
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    Oops forgot to show Anderson's office cut and pasted SWA talking points.
    Also I don't mean ill will against this young staff person. She did this under supervision, Under Supervisor Anderson, It's the culture.


    Sweetwater Talking points.
    From: Wallace, Mike <mwallace@sweetwater.org> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 4:42 PM To: Shute, Madeline <Madeline.Shute@sdcounty.ca.gov> Subject: RE: Loveland Reservoir

    Madeline,

    The Loveland Fishing program is open 7 days a week and the hours are:

    October through February: 6 am to 5 pm

    March through September: 6 am to 6 pm

    Regarding opening the fishing program in the morning:

    For 9 months of the year, when the program is opened at 6am, it is before sunrise. Only in May, June and

    SWA 7-22RW0001024

    July is sunrise slightly before 6am (ranges from a minute to a maximum of 21 minutes).

    I found this handy website that shows the hours of daylight/sunrise for any city or even a point selected on their map (the latitude and longitude are for the Loveland Fishing Program):

    Sunrise and sunset times in 32°47'54.5"N, 116°45'38.5"W

    Keeping a fixed opening time helps us with our staff schedules and would be difficult to track on a day by day basis.

    Regarding closing the program in the evening:

    The fishing program is closed before sunset due to a concern for the safety of staff and the public. If vehicles are left in the parking lot at closing time, it is assumed they are still in the fishing program. Staff utilizes the public address system on their truck to notify users the program is closed and it is after hours. If the public announcement is not effective, staff searches the program on foot. Doing this in the dark is very dangerous on many levels. On more than one occasion, staff has found injured members of the public still in the fishing program after closure. One person was airlifted out due to his injuries.

    We have found these hours to be the safest and most effective way for us to operate the fishing program and the US Forest Service has deferred to our judgement on how we run the program. These hours have been in place since 2013.

    Thanks,

    Anderson's office : Cut and Pasted Version of SWA BS talking points, No district two citizen lake users were consulted.
    Russell,



    The Loveland Fishing program is open 7 days a week and the hours are:

    October through February: 6 am to 5 pm

    March through September: 6 am to 6 pm



    Regarding opening the fishing program in the morning:

    For 9 months of the year, when the program is opened at 6am, it is before sunrise. Only in May, June and July is sunrise slightly before 6am (ranges from a minute to a maximum of 21 minutes).

    I found this handy website that shows the hours of daylight/sunrise for any city or even a point selected on their map (the latitude and longitude are for the Loveland Fishing Program):

    https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@32.798500,-116.760721

    Keeping a fixed opening time helps the SWA with their staff schedules and would be difficult to track on a day by day basis.



    Regarding closing the program in the evening:

    The fishing program is closed before sunset due to a concern for the safety of staff and the public. If vehicles are left in the parking lot at closing time, it is assumed they are still in the fishing program. Staff utilizes the public address system on their truck to notify users the program is closed and it is after hours. If the public announcement is not effective, staff searches the program on foot. Doing this in the dark is very dangerous on many levels. On more than one occasion, staff has found injured members of the public still in the fishing program after closure. One person was airlifted out due to his injuries.



    They have found these hours to be the safest and most effective way for them to operate the fishing program and the US Forest Service has deferred to their judgement on how they run the program. These hours have been in place since 2013.



    Sincerely,



    Madeline Shute

    Assistant Land Use & Policy Director
     
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