The NFL and Free Speech

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  1. fisheromen

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    This National Anthem thing is being paraded as a protest for "free speech" or "free expression"! BUNK!
    Why was Tim Tebow told he could not put " John 3:16" in his eye-black? Why were Cowboy players told they could not memorialize the police officers that were killed in Dallas? There have been many times when the NFL has denied free expression. What makes this special?
     
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    The NFL wanted to put up a united stand against what Trump said about it's players. There was no religious beliefs being brought up. It looks bad for NFL if they don't let Kapernick back in though.
     
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    I take a different view of the kneeling. I look at the players kneeling and giving thanks to America for the opportunity to make a lot of money playing football. I can spin anything. LOL
     
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    Good question. I don't have an answer, but I think they should be told to stand for the National Anthem and if they have an issue with some political policy, then go about it on their own time and platform and don't use the NFL's time and platform.
    How many of us can use our employer's building or web-site to put up a sign or statement of something we personally like or dislike or our religious ideas and not get fired for it? Would it be ok for an airline pilot to state their political or religious stance while you are on your flight? Seems that if you make $$$$$$ for the business, the owner will look away or join you.
     
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    What makes this so special?
    It's anti Trump and anti America that's the new " in thing now."
    If the football players don't like it here go play Canadian football.
     
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    Technically, they were all uniform violations, and the NFL is petty and greedy enough to punish those. I'll never forget when DeAngelo Williams was fined for having "Find a Cure" under his eyes during breast cancer awareness month!
     
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    Hell, you can't sell Girl Scout Cookies at most jobs!
     
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    I'm just disappointed in how Trump handled these issues as the currnt "father" of our country.

    Says a lot when he didn't call those who violently participated in the Charlottesville marches SOBs.

    America is a big family of differences and we need a leader with the capability to harness those differences as strengths and not as weaknesses.

    I blame this all on Trump, aggravating the divide amongst the people and bringing politics into sports.
     
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    Never would have happened if no one took a knee.
     
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    Yup and he lost his job. Should've been end of story.

    But now look what can of worms Trump opened up.

    Great leader, huh?
     
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    Firing one guy to set the example was easy, now to fire entire team and coaches....

    I just hope after all this, everyone can still watch sports together happily and not judge one another.

    Ah, you support NFL, NBA you must be unpatriotic, etc.

    Ah you watch NASCAR? That's as American as you can be!
     
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    Unfortunately these are the times we live in. However, the leader of the free world should work to unite the country not help divide it. I think there are more important matters to attend to.
     
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    They are not taking a knee to advocate for freedom of speech. They are taking a knee to protest inequality in this country. The people who are not listening and trying to understand the protest are the ones who are pushing this false narrative about disrespecting our armed forces or first responders This had nothing to do with any disrespect for our country or our military. This was simply a player expressing himself to bring awareness to inequality. Maybe it was not the right platform but he did not start this out of disrespect. That excuse is just being used by people who don't want to have the difficult conversation about race in the United States.
     
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    oh, and Trump just continues to divide this nation. People cant even talk anymore let alone listen. He is just a sad sad human being.
     
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    I miss the good old days under President Obama when everything was the Caucasian and polices fault.
     
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    Whoever said that cost Kap his job? He lost his job because the team no longer needed or wanted him. Seems no other team wants him either.
     
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    Don't forget Bush!
     
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    No, because I never saw an interview of their reason. For the first person that did take a knee, Kap unless there is someone else, he did it because of non justice and police brutality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka0446tibig
     
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    Thanks for sharing.

    To Kap, flag symbolized freedom, liberty, and justice for all.

    He took a knee because he felt the government didn't keep its end of the bargain and therefore, the flag no longer represented the FLJ for all due to many things, for example injustice and police brutality.
     
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    There it is! it was the WRONG platform, and from a guy who has benefited immensely from so-called white privilege.

    The playing of the National Anthem is for one thing and one thing only: Patriotism! "Ladies and Gentlemen please stand and remove your hats for the playing of the National Anthem."
    How can it not be disrespectful when one refuse to do that? At least the Jehovah's Witnesses have an explanation as to why they do not stand, and they are NOT protesting anything!

    Trump made a patriotic statement! That is how I see it. I, for one, am sick of all the protesting.
     
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