The Wall and The Liars

I remember when you used to post fishing reports and not just constantly ram your right wing views down people's throats. We get it, you love Trump and all liberals are entitled sniveling crybabies desperate for media attention. Point made. Just go fishing.

 

This is the Lounge. It is for other-than-fishing topics! Creek is using it legitimately and effectively. Nobody is forcing anything.

 

Creek,

Can you please show me the speech, quote, or news article you are referring too stating what you mentioned above in the first paragraph you wrote. I am searching the internet for this plan you say the democrats have for boarder security and can't seem to find it anywhere.

Please share. Below is what you wrote as a reminder:

"But like the Left says.. I guess we could just live with the kind of fence that is erected at the Arizona/Mexico border - five-foot tall willow and sage branches with three strands of barbed wire wrapped around them. Nice. Dems seem to think that kind of fence would suffice - and cost next to nothing ! Hire some slugs for minimum wage to walk around the desert, pick up a bunch of five-foot tall sticks and bring them to a drop-off point. Then buy a few spools of barbed wire, a few pairs of leather gloves and a pair of bolt cutters. Then hire the same slugs to stretch the wire from stick to stick. And for those of you interested of making some decent money, you can get hired by human traffickers to be the guy on the US side that in the dead of night meets the smugglers at the fence. And your one job is to grab the bottom of the stick, lift up from the bottom, and let the illegal aliens (immigrants, sorry) walk under to freedom within the Promised Land."

Thank you for your help.

 

Crickets............

 

I respect your conviction and your right to post here, if not the message. I'm also always down to go fishing with you or anyone else on here, regardless of political differences. As much as I agree that you are entitled to discuss politics here, I still can't help but wonder if a fishing forum is necessarily the best social media platform for it. I feel like the forum has gone downhill in the last year and I have talked to many current and former members, both in person and over the internet, that have been turned off of SDFish due to the increased number of political debates/musings/ramblings/arguments from both sides.

 

If there was no lounge than politics would bleed into the regular fishing section. So this way its easy to avoid or to participate in the debate.

 

Those pictures show what is currently at the boarder in some areas.

Your post implied that this is what the democrats want when it comes to boarder security. I am asking you to show us a democrat stating that this is their idea of boarder security. I have read the most recent plans by both parties and this is not what is in there.

The current condition at the boarder has been that way for years (40 or so) so we could technically blame the photo's above on past administrations, and congress represented by both parties.

You stated in your opening post that this is what the democrats want for boarder security. Please show me proof that this is what their plan is.


Thank you,

 

I love this part .."Below is what you wrote as a reminder.." Ouch !You're being meeeaan to me !! I assume you are thinking somewhat that my physical age might mean that I'm also a candidate for OBS.. which was thoughtful of you if that's where you were headed, friend. But I'm still together. Feeling fluid, not fragile.

Nope, just wanted it to be clear since sometimes there are multiple posts in between. I'm a nice guy. : )

 

Thanks Creek! Can't wait to see it.

 

Again, this topic is clearly defined and no one is asking you to read anything here. I understand, the weather is bad and there are too few fishing reports but still this is no excuse to complain for something completely legitimate. While it is your right to express your vision about the content of the site such discussion fits much better in the General topics, doesn't it? So why don't you just move it there, perhaps because then you would lack the publicity for your political disagreement? I may disagree with Creek on certain issues but whenever I find it useful to express my thoughts I would certainly have the courage to present my arguments and defend my position openly here.
The fact is, the leftist and Ds generally don't have the courage to dispute because their feelings and misunderstandings cannot be defended on a rational basis. This is for example why they prefer to shut down the dialog in any way they can - heckling, by hooligan actions at public meetings or by simply declaring that "there is consensus" as in the "science" for the AGW (I guess now they would consider AClimateChange to get some credibility) Moral cowards, that's what they are.
Not that the Rs are correct on may topics but at least they are open for dialog and don't hide behind false pretenses so this is why I do respect them more without being one of them.

 

Why don't you ask for the Ds that stated explicitly that they don't want ANY kind of wall at all? Maybe because this is much stronger statement and it is much easier to prove? Taking literally some statements and asking for exact proof is maybe looking as a good attack until you get taken to the core question: Why so many Ds pretended to be for building a wall during the Obama administration knowing that such thing ain't gonna happen and now are openly against it? Maybe because this can be excused as being part of their obstruction to the present administration which is more important for their voters than borders defense. Pity partisanship!
Now, why don't you show us exactly what the Ds want for border security? More maps of the porous border regions, instructions how to survive in the desert and there the water is stocked, more ladders to be sent to TJ, lawyers for the "asylum" seekers, sanctuary cities, buses and financial support for the caravans, what else?
There were almost seven years from the moment when I could just walk through the border until I prepared to cross legally and start contributing much more than what I take from day one. Show me how many of these illegals can prove the same? This country is nearly bankrupt and doesn't need more foreigners on the dole, there are already more than enough much better deserving fellow Americans, be it simply because they were born here, not to mention their past work and service.
FYI, the vast majority of the Central and South America immigrants are simply not educated to have higher paying jobs and take much more support than they contribute in taxes even when they work and even before the chain reaction of bringing here their large families. All that D's noise about the "benefits" from the illegal immigration are pure hypocrisy.

 

I don't particularly understand the animosity you've repeatedly displayed towards younger generations on here. I fit squarely within the 14-30 year old demographic and would hardly consider myself to fit the bill of your general depiction of the "younger crowd;" that is, a degenerate band of foul-mouthed entitled brats who sue their parents for disciplining them. I was raised by strict parents that taught me manners, and I have plenty of friends within the same age group that were as well (much more so, even). Again, the main disagreement I have with the views you post on here is not their political leanings but your narrow-minded grouping of demographics that you disagree with. Not every liberal is a "snowflake" and not every person who isn't an "elder" is entitled and disrespectful. I also am fully aware that not every conservative is a gun toting, racist, uneducated bigot like many pervasive stereotypes portray them as. A bit more respect for those in different generations, demographics, and political orientations would likely result in more thoughtful discourse than long-winded tear-downs of "azzhats."

Then again, I am a young person so what would I know, right?

 

I think that scientific evidence for climate change is about as rational as it gets, but I'm not opening that can of worms. At no point did I express that any individuals on here are wrong for their political leanings and thoughts, I only bluntly suggested that, in my opinion, a fishing forum aimed to promote collaborative discourse on fishing and fishing-related topics might not be the best place for divisive political arguments. I respect your right to disagree, as I will admit that the political forums are entertaining to read, receive a lot of traffic, and are popular for lots of members to contribute to. I'm sure lots of members enjoy posting on the political threads more than fishing. Maybe that's why I don't think I've seen any fishing reports from you on here. As for me, I'll be out tomorrow morning braving the frigid 50 degree partly-cloudy San Diego elements on my tube, likely around Coronado. If anyone would like to join PM me.

 

Sorry, you didn't get my central point - OK to disagree, argue, and discuss here but opinions about what should this site look like belong to the General topics area.
As for the AGW you just proved my other point - you prefer the dialog shut down with a plain declaration, if not why mention it? You just hear one side of this dispute that you have chosen to be the right one and simply ignore the abundant evidences from the other side. If you were really open minded you would certainly have no problem finding the sources. The standard practice from your chosen side is to declare all scientists from the other side as corrupted directly or indirectly by Big Oil, Koch brothers etc. while ignoring the magnitudes larger corruption at their own side, simply because most of it comes directly from the governments, the later with vested interest for gaining more power and $$ from the Paris Accord and the likes.
As for fish reports, sorry, I'm rather a novice willing more to learn here without anything yet worthy to report. But I certainly do have huge personal experience with all kinds of socialism, from the hard-core Eastern block to the Californian. So I know better than most here to where all this leads and feel compelled to warn. I'm sorry for the youngsters here fooled by their morally corrupt IEI (intelligent yet i..iot) professors at school. Boys and girls, learn at mises.org why your future is doomed by the present direction and what could be the long-term solution. Hint, it is NOT the NWO.
All this woudn't be complete without my hat down to your bravery.