The Wall and The Liars

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  1. mikecheck1212

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    I I didn’t really read this whole thread just near the end..but I think it’s pretty cool that you were blessed with the gift to know for a fact what other peoples motivations are.....not sure why you act as though you’re the only one that pays taxes? Welcome to America where all we argue about is where tax money should go..yours and mine...walls will never be efficient as stopping the reason people come here in the first place..
     
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    Agree, but it was so uncomfortable to me to call them cancer:(
     
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    Agree - illegals feed on the host country even when they work low-paid jobs, thus they fit the definition. As for the native-born, one might be tempted to compare them to cancer since they are also host cells gone wrong and leading to destruction of the whole host organism. But does it really matter? We agreed on the most important aspect - voluntarism in supporting both types of tax beneficiaries. The many flaws of the present tax system is another can of worms, let's save it for later times...
     
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    Legal immigrants like yourself feed off the host as well...I’ll stick with what I said the first time we brought this up...
     
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    Oh and just for the record I wouldn’t call you a leech..I’d say you come over here to better your situation..which is great..I’m all for legal immigration..contrary to popular opinion, most people whose ideological beliefs align closer to those on the left, do not want open borders...we understand that illegal immigration can be a problem..but there’s many nuances as well...it sucks seeing people demonized and called a leech and a cancer for doing what they felt necessary to improve their lives...doing what anybody in their position would do... I’d do the same thing if I needed to...stats on illegal immigration are always vague but one that is for sure is how much tax money comes in from illegal aliens..more than the services they use...and also the money that is made from their cheap labor..so it would be like a leech giving it’s host its own blood...
     
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    Oh..and sorry for the spam but just wanted to add that I do not believe every person that comes here is a saint...I get it...I just think going by statistics, that those people at a small minority..
     
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    Yes, but unlike the illegals we feed far less than we contribute and that the most important difference.
     
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    From what I’ve seen (in my limited research) illegal immigrants contribute more than they “feed”...if you have something other than”plain declarations void from any supporting facts or statistics”, I would love to see them..
     
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    I didn't complain about that, just stressed the most important differences between the caravan members and people like me. Again, coming for better professional opportunities does not equate automatically to coming for better life, the later is just a consequence of be enable to produce more and be rewarded accordingly. Open your eyes to the facts - the "asylum" seekers in TJ posted their price tag to abandon their claims, what better proof for their true motivation? Do I need some "special ability" to find out their true motivation? Among those on the left, Even D. Feinstein admitted that CA cannot longer be a welfare state for the world and that time is over. USA just cannot admit all those that "felt necessary to improve their live" by "doing what anybody in their position would do" i.e. by breaking and entering illegally in the country, then hopefully giving a birth to their anchor babies. And, I strongly disagree with your later suggestion. Maybe you would do such thing, but not anybody. I'm only one of the many examples and there are tens of millions that don't do it. Many apply again and again for legal immigration at the US embassies and patiently wait for their turn, why should illegals get ahead of the line, just because they are poor? Being poor and looking to escape your native country instead fighting for changes is not in any way a justification for coming here illegally. How it would be if tens of millions citizens of the former Soviet Block started flocking here illegally instead rising against their communist governments? Since they are generally much better educated I bet they would be far better addition to the work force than the poor Latinos from the South, but is this the solution for world poverty? Which brings the political motivation of Soros' and local NGOs for sponsoring illegal immigration both in EU and USA. Playing nice for the world's poor is just the excuse, the real objective is to dilute developed Western countries with poor hordes dependent entirely on government help, to dilute the wealth, engineer a global crisis (which BTW is on the way) and then come with their globalist New World Order as a solution. Now they have "the populists" to blame instead of the Central Bankers and their buddies in the financial world.
    As for statistics, here SCAAP Data Suggest Illegal Aliens Commit Crime at a Much Higher Rate Than Citizens and Lawful Immigrants | Federation for American Immigration Reform and here Analysis of Claims of an Economic Benefit from Amnesty | Federation for American Immigration Reform you will find some very serious facts that are hard to deny.
     
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    ill read these hard to deny facts a little later, although just by the titles ive already seen hard to read facts that dispute them...again, you didn't come over here illegally because you didn't have to! Good for you...but if you were in the position where you had to...id understand...i wouldnt call you a leech or a cancer..id recognize youre just a human like everybody else tryna eat...does that make illegal immigration right? nope...Does that mean i want open borders? nope...back to the point of this whole debate about a wall and why i feel it its benefits will be minimal opposed to its costs...because most these "poor leeches" come here to work..if they cant work, they have no reason to come here....i have not one problem with people against illegal immigration..i do have a problem with how they frame it...and lets please not get started on the new world order george soros shape shifting aliens and reptilians...i cant take it serious.
     
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    looked into your links a little...not a ton of facts or stats but ill look into some of the stuff they claim a little deeper..i have heard of FAIR though..i do find it ironic that an immigrant such as yourself would quote them considering how they are against all immigration..legal and not..(have a look at the WITAN memos for some other fun facts)...gathering data in this day and age is tough as everyone has an agenda..
     
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    Seems that unlike me you have not seen any of those single moms of anchor babies living in LA, right? Previously some working-age males were coming indeed with the idea to work whatever job they can find and send money to their families South. Later, their sources and kids joined, hanging of taxpayer aide many times larger than any tax their working men were paying. Later, grand parents were doing the same, then siblings, cousins etc. Guess you know what is chain reaction but hardly understand why Ds led by that old now dead criminal E. Kennedy enabled this legislation in the 60s or naively believe that all was done for just "being nice" to the new immigrants.
    Present-day caravans are organized and contain families that are made to believe they DESERVE to be here and be supported by US tax payers. As supposedly a price for exploitation of the Latin American countries which is in fact largely correct. But why the American tax-payers should be punished for the sins of US monopolistic corporations?
    And yes, I agree that it would be far better to eliminate the tax-payer guaranteed student loans enabling universities to grow, enrich their administration, and produce thousands of unemployable masters in "Women's Studies", "Ebonics", "Economy of the Socialist countries", all kinds of "arts" etc. while the STEM specialties are populated with foreigners aspiring to F2 visas, then H1B, then permanent residence, citizenship, and finally bringing all their large families here becoming effectively net tax users, not contributors. I'm different from them as well.
     
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    Anchor babies... what a concept

    Just wait a couple decades - there's a growing population of "tourism babies" being birthed here from China and India. Their current M.O. is to utilize the US Citizenship to boost their status back home, while setting up the option for the young adults to come back to the US with full privs. and allow the parents to be petitioned for Green Cards, as parents of a US Citizen...
     
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    Hmmm...before you wanted stats and figures but now we get to go by what you “see”..ok...what does a single mom with an anchor baby look like? I mean do they have special identifying marks that allow you to conclude they are illegals with anchor babies? Or is there some other way you’re able to come to that conclusion?
     
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    If you get out your car and ride a bit public transit you'll easily recognize them as well along with their kids. I'd bet you also never heard about the anchor babies "tourism" industry in LA as well. Guess you are smart enough to find all the stats for illegals and anchor babies "business" on your own if you are really looking for fact and not blinded by your misunderstood "compassion for the needy" in your eyes.
     
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    Wow..you must be an X man..not only do you possess the power to know what peoples motivations are, you also possess the power to know if someone is an illegal immigrant or not, just by looking at them...you should see if the border patrol is hiring...someone with your skills would be beneficial...the only stats you’ve provided during this whole back and forth was from an organization called “fair”, which was founded by a person who didnt want immigration because he wanted to make sure there was a European majority in the us...that’s not something made up, that’s a fact..yet you choose to use that as your source and provided 2 links to their page for me to research...hard pass....

    Again, void of stats as you say, you go off about single mothers and anchor babies you see in la...and this is where I have a problem with the rhetoric that people like you use...I asked you what a single mother and an anchor baby looks like and you said to ride the trolley..wow...I can only assume that your primary clue as to whether they are illegals is their skin color...since you have provided no other reason...maybe they look poor? Those two things do not guarantee that someone is here illegal...now here’s where my problem with these assumptions began...as a kid, with brown skin, growing up I often heard the ol”go back to your country” bs...that was always the fall back...I was born here, my mom was born here, her mom was born here..but because of my skin color people like you get to assume you know me..thanks to all the rhetoric about leeches and cancers and rapists and drug dealers my kids get to deal with people like you assuming because of their skin tones they are illegals and less than..you sir or no better than anybody else...I don’t care how you got here...being an immigrant yourself you should stay humble...you don’t have to like illegal immigration or accept it...you also don’t gotta be a dik about it...because you’re judging people you don’t even know just because you feel like you’re better than them...with a viewpoint on humans that you have, I beg to disagree...
     
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    What "power" they declared their motivations themselves in front of the mass media and for everyone having the courage to look at the truth. I'm sorry about whatever racism you have experienced, but I'm not guilty for this in any way. You absolutely have no right to insinuate anything and calling me a racist, nor play the race card instead of checking whatever you can find online. I have no time for this and now I see it will be useless to show you any real statistics, you will stick to your opinion no matter what like any other misguided IYI democrat. Again, you have the right to support anyone with your own money, not by legalized theft from my pockets.
    Yes, illegals with any skin color are leeches coming to feed from our taxes, there is no racism here, period.
     
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    Racist? Where did I say you were racist? Seems you are the only one using the race card..You said you can spot illegal immigrants...but didn’t tell me how other than to drive public transportation...what other method other than their skin tones prove to you that they are illegals then? After all this back and forth you haven’t provided any data or statistics so I wasn’t expecting you to anyway( other than the aforementioned links you provided). I find it funny that I have no right to insinuate anything,yet you feel you have the right to insinuate a woman with a child on a bus must be a leech or cancer..with no evidence to prove that...which tells me when you look around at people you judge them before you know them..how you are able to know this you won’t say so I make a reasonable assumption that it must be because of either their skin tone or because perhaps they look poor to you..both reasons which still do not prove that they’re illegal...you want facts on that just read your posts..don’t lump me in with what you consider misguided democrats just because you failed to make an argument...and again you are not the only person who pays taxes here...sorry to inform you of that...I don’t care where your tax money goes, but I do care where mine goes...and if they're leeches...so are you...enjoy.
     
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    Sorry that I have angered you so much. I don't see any more benefits from discussing this topic with you.
    But will answer to others.
     
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    anger?..hahaha..dont flatter yourself...
     
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