The Wall and The Liars

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  1. Ram-Rod

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  2. Larry M

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    This is what the Lounge is all about.

    Maybe there shouldn't be a miscellaneous for sale section.
    People have posted items for sale not related to fishing.

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    Still waiting on the documentation, articles, speeches, quotes, or what ever form of media showing a democrat stating that twigs and barbed wire is there policy on immigration.

    If all "dems" are saying it then this should be easy.
     
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    And I'm still waiting to list me all Ds members of Congress that are FOR a wall, any wall, even a 5 ft barbed one along their description of the proposed.
     
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    Look, I did not start the discussion. Creek stated that all the "DEMS" want is this kind of boarder security. Then described what the "dems" wanted to do.

    I just want to know where he saw this info. How did he come up with these ideas about what "dems" want?

    If you post something you should be able to back it up with fact. Especially if you are telling me how the "dems" feel and what their plans are. ok.........show me. Which "dems" said what?????
     
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  6. Creek

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    I know you weren't backing me up in any way, but I'm grateful to see and read the logical responses you managed to write.

    PS.. Mr @DDuvan.. I'm still waiting to hear back from my friend. I'm wondering if this wasnt merely his thought on the matter and my interpretation of what he said. His original email to me never included any link to a news story or website. I texted him as well, but I still havent rec'd a reply as to whether or not this was an actual story with a link or merely his thoughts on the matter. As promised though, I will jump on here and write his reply as soon as it's offered to me. M
     
  7. Creek

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    Kind of like Mr DDuvan1, I'd kinda like to know what you're talking about. Can you point me in the right direction? I know I occasionally mention the obvious differences in the various age groups (my age group grew up with discipline, your age group grew up with lawsuits against their parents, etc.). I know that smarts a little, but it is what it is.. and we all have to deal with both ends of it, right?
     
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    OK, a simple search for "democrat proposals for border security system" yields:
    House Democratic Conferees Unveil Proposal for Smart, Effective Border Security
    House Democrats to offer new border security proposals — but no wall
    Democrats stumble on border security in bid for immigration deal
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ats-opening-border-security-offer/2732549002/

    Do I really need to teach you how to search on Internet? I doubt it. As you can see and probably know very well the central point of all proposal is NO physical wall, fence, barrier of ANY kind which at best equals support for the existing fence shown in the pictures. Therefore, Creek's opinion is in fact understatement since it is hard to find a D being honest enough to openly declare his support for the pictured 5-ft barb fence that most Ds even don't know in what bad shape it is now.

    Now, are you still asking from Creek to admit his understatement? Is this your point? Are you supporting everything you write here with facts as in the court? Perhaps you like and support
    Opinion | The Case Against ‘Border Security’
    which is of course your right but why simply don't have the courage to admit it and defend it?

    In fact, there is a relatively simple solution - pass a law to enable VOLUNTARY contribution via taxes for a federal fund strictly dedicated to all kinds of aid for illegals including their children (welfare, food stamps, any kind of medical assistance, school, insurance etc.), cut them off from all services available to LEGAL residents and citizens (welfare, food stamps, any kind of medical assistance, school, insurance etc.), and let anyone in. This is the most fair solution to all those that both support and are against illegal immigration. Al other options are legalized theft from those that don't support the illegals flooding in search for the sweet dole from the taxpayers. Don't you agree with that, would you support it?
    As for the drugs problem, adopt and enforce the laws of Singapore, it looks it's working fine there:)
     
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  9. Creek

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    I dont remember ever saying.. every liberal is a "snowflake" and not every person who isn't an "elder" is entitled and disrespectful. I work with guys less than half my age that have conservative views - many of which have more direct views more so than those of my own. When I mention "snowflakes," I'm not talking about everyone.. I'm talking about those - because of their soft nature and outlook are called "snowflakes." Its a term coined for the hot chocolate and warm blanket crowd. I didn't coin the term myself, but its seems to fit some folks perfectly. I'm really sorry if the term upsets you. I think snowflake is alot better than some of the terms some folks use when describing the softer, more sensitive section of people.
     
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    Well @Kam, if nothing else I hope you're doing okay on a personal level - especially at school. Was just thinking about the float tube I last saw you in and how much I was wishing we had stopped, turned around, walked back over to my truck and fully inflated it before getting in the water.
     
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    So the articles you are referencing are not facts. They are articles written by people who are providing their opinion on a topic.

    What I would like to see is a quote, policy, article written by a democrat in office who has the power to change laws stating they are for "open boarders" or what ever it is you would like to call it.

    All we see is "dems" want this, or "dems" think that..... All of this from people in the other side. Please provide actual evidence of this. You know.................from the horse's mouth.

    I am not here to argue my stance on immigration. This thread was started on a topic which stated, this is how "dems" feel about immigration. I just want to find out which "Dems" are stating these things. That is the only thing I am trying to find out.

    And so far...............crickets
     
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    What evedence of man caused climate change do you have. Maybe because of your age you don't remember the save a tree use plastic campain raged by the environmentalists. Now plastic is more evil the satan himself. Next they will be scolding us on the evils of the current trendy reusable cloth bags. Before my time they ranted about the next ice age comming and the dangers of global cooling. The climate has changed forever and will change. No one is denying that. We just want to see evedence man is causing it before we go full socialist to save the planet. Again please show me evedence man is causing climate change and maybe some proof sea levels are rising at an alarming rate. That way I can forward it to Al Gore so he can sell that beach front mansion he just bought from all the money he made facilitating carbon credit deals.
     
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    Are you not reading my notes to you? I said the minute he either texts me back or writes me another email, I'll be happy to provide with information on either where the information originated, or if it was a personal viewpoint.
     
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    I may not always agree with Creek and others in here, but I come in to The Lounge on my own free will. I may not like something that someone writes and its up to me to question it or write back my opinions on the matters if I feel strongly about it. Or I can just move on or back to the Freshwater fishing reports. Odds are I will never buy a MAGA hat(just tossing that in Creek, as I read you got a new one and giving you my opinion on the hat...ha ha), but still respect having an area where we are all free to talk about anything we feel we want to discuss or debate whether people agree with you or not.
    Ok....enough said.....back to the Freshwater Reports for me.
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    I would love to see Trump call the bluff of the no wall people...and show up at the San Diego border with a bulldozer to take out our wall...and then watch Kamala and Gavin soil their shorts when they realize what a no border country really means!
     
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    you live in California. Fishing and politics go hand in hand
     
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    Its so funny that there are fisherman that are liberal dems. It makes no sense- Vote for politicians who want to take away/close the land you fish on and want to shut down your fishing all together. WAKEUP
     
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    I don't deny climate change...I just doubt that anything we can do will change it...Remember when it was called global warming? then when that didn't suit the need the name was changed...Funny how one of the first global warming leader Al Gore had the highest electric bill in his state that year..he has made millions off this...hypocrite??? Just show me any data that has lowered earth's temp. from the expenditures California extorts from us...Climate has always changed...without Climate change the agricultural revolution would have never happened...The Great Lakes would still be covered in glaciers ...
    Funny how this state is so concerned with climate change tolerates hundreds of migrant and homeless camps
    burning fires on a nightly basis...Don't drink the koolaid...one volcano can undo decades of oppressive environmental regulations...the golden state??? Homeless have made it the golden shower state
     
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    Classic! Why didn't the media learn from the Catholic boy / lying Indian fiasco? Quick get the story out that will hurt Trump!
     
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