Who is Bank-rolling the "caravan"?

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  1. EncinitasWomp

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    Invasion - an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

    Incursion - ...storming of, overrunning of, advance on/into, push into, thrust into...

    The caravan isn't currently invading, but if left to their own devices, their actions will fit the definition.

    I don't care if the caravan is from a sh*t hole third world Central American country or is full of 18 - 21 year old Swedish bikini models. Who are they to demand to be let into the country? Private property/ no trespassing.
    If you want to hunt/ fish on someone's property do you and a bunch of friends just show up and demand to be let in? I don't think so. It's not about a boogie man. Follow the rules; whats the big deal???
     
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    The big deal is that the Left/Right folks are seeing two different scenarios.
    Left sees 4,000 refugees who should be let in for asylum.
    Right sees 14,000 migrants who will hop the border because they want jobs and benefits.
    Edit: I guess my point is that these scenarios require different rules, so it's not as simple as just follow the rules.
     
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    Both valid points and worth the discussion.
    And thanks EncinitasWomp for providing definitions for the words invasion and incursion. Always helpful to start with literal definitions.
     
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    Ok. So these folks who are several hundred miles away and traveling on foot do not fit your quoted definition of an invasion, until if and when any of them get here and manage to cross a border.
    So if they follow the rules you're ok with that?
    Because US law says they have the right to present themselves at a port of entry and ask for asylum.
     
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  5. old_rookie

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    Here's another angle: Ami Horowitz - Ami Horowitz: The Truth Behind the Caravan
     
  6. Creek

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    So..
    After seeing what was really happening with the caravan.. what was really being planned.. after seeing the massive ground assistance groups helping the migrants reach the border in record time.. after watching the planned media circus provoke the migrants to rush.. after seeing the protest on the US side that aided the eventual border rush by creating a temporary diversion.. after watching the rocks and glass get hurled at agents and military..after watching the non-lethal gas be deployed.. after the subsequent federal criminal arrests on both sides.. after the female migrant that gored and killed herself after falling off the fence onto some rebar..and after the all-important Dems at the top were interviewed and shrugged their shoulders claiming the caravan as a whole was Trump's fault... and after watching the entire frenzy on national news, what do you think now?
     
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    I think the same as I always have none of this has changed anything I feel/think in any way at all. There are a bunch of chachalacas in charge of this world. They are in charge simply due to their willing/eager-ness to exploit human nature: laziness, fear and stupidity being prime in this. Until the willingness and desire to be herded off the cliff like a herd of buffalo gets overridden by our collective desire to persist as a species, or the demands of the herders become greater than the herd can support, I don't see any significant means/desires of change...
     
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    Unfortunately you are correct. All this "asylum" pretenses are as fake as they can be. Mexico government already has offered to process any political asylum claim so there is absolutely no excuse to bypass this opportunity and proceed further North if the claim was indeed political. The international convention for refugees doesn't require asylum to be granted on the basis of economic reasons, rather the opposite - claiming economic reason for seeking asylum is considered sufficient for denial of the claim as lacking political motivation and in pursuit for economic benefits.
    Thus, Trump administration can very easily process all "asylum" seekers at the spot by asking this simple question at the border crossing - "If the reason for your claim is political, why didn't you accept the Mexican offer to process your claim?" There simply cannot be any justifiable reason to ignore this offer and all those economic migrants can be legally turned back into Mexico.
    Don't be fooled by the numbers - this is just a provocation to test the administration reaction. Millions are looking what will happen, ready to follow in the steps those few thousands if they see a chance to sneak through the border and enjoy much better life.
     
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    Yeah, unfortunately times have changed.

    I know people that are extremely mad that a serial rapist was released to a compound in east county. However, these same people seem to have no problem or absolutely zero knowledge of how many child molesters are living within a block of their home.
     
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    Looked at the pin map for my area once. Grrrrr....
     
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    If Mexico would in fact pay for a wall do you think the majority of Americans would be on board for adding a moat on our dime?

    Moats seem to have gone out of fashion in the last 100 years. In my opinion a moat filled with crocodiles or made of quicksand or tar is far more intimidating than a wall. A wall just seems like a fun challenge. If you put a moat in front of a wall then it would be game over for me.

    Anyone remember the old movie The Beastmaster? I think there was an epic moat scene in that movie. We could use a few of those weird bird people too that would digest your body when they wrapped you up in their wings.

    For all the youngsters who have not seen The Beastmaster I highly recommend it.

    The Beastmaster Trailer
     
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    Looks now like they want the U.S. to bankroll their party back home. Demanding asylum or $50K a piece for them go away. That's pretty bold no matter how you look at it. Not a fan of these people.

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    Just saw that. Demanding 50k. Good thing HRC isn’t our president. She would give them the 50k then let them in. Guaranteed votes
    Absolute joke. Even more of a joke is the gringos marching with them to the consulate to help them with their demands.
     
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    Reminds me of another analogy....

    You are given a bowl of M&Ms, say there are about 100 in the bowl. You are told that one or two of them, if eaten can kill you. How many are you willing to eat?
     
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    Hey mikecheck1212 you would eat the whole bowl, right?! Lol
     
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    The wall, the caravan, Pelosi, Schumer, Stormy, Avenatti, etc etc etc... just keeps getting better and better. I wonder how things are going with that Left wet dream of impeaching Trump for.. what's the flavor for today.. collusion? Pay-offs?:emoji_joy: No idea.. but I sure did love watching Trump put Pelosi and Schumer on the ground yesterday. You all wanted transparency... no better way to ensure that transparency than allowing the press to record EVERY meeting between Trump and those two clowns. Funny how Schumer wanted total border protection not that long ago. I wonder what flipped him 180 degrees. Oh... ya... democratic votes. Each one of those folks represents a democratic vote. Got it.
     
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    Hey !! Robbie has returned !! How you doin' big guy? I love your new screen name.. "FDT." Nice !!
     
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    Zero eye contact while trump was looking at him the hole time. What a disrespectful joke
     
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    All Schumer had was that crap eating grin. LOL
     
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    And despite all the moronic chanting at the rallies, look what’s happened… Lock HIM up!!

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    Enjoy your stay at Club Fed Mikey. Ahh -- the irony of it all. Who’s next???? The noose is tightening. Can’t wait for the perp walk. Oh, and -- so sorry -- I don’t think they allow hair spray in prison…
     
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